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Author Topic: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - July 1st 1942  (Read 93429 times)

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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 20th
« Reply #720 on: June 18, 2011, 06:22:16 am »

Can we have a map?
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 20th
« Reply #721 on: June 18, 2011, 06:52:19 am »

Here you go...


I dont think the Allies have anything that could hit the Tanaka Squadron at Port Moresby or Buna(dive or torpedo bombers), or heavy naval units in the area, so Tanaka Squad will sweep in and egress. If everything goes according to plan, by daybreak, its already within LRCAP range of A6M2-Ns from Shortlands as well as Ki-43s from Rabaul.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #722 on: June 18, 2011, 07:44:02 am »

About the big force formed around North Carolina that was sighted few days ago near Fiji... I bet its somewhere around, probably brought here to support whatever operation hes up to. We will see about it in the next couple of days... Depending on how the situation develops, Kido Butai may arrive to the theater in as soon as 3 days, so 4 days from now. I'm planning to complete its refits and refuel CarDiv II, so 6 to 7 days.

I sent a lone picket ship to sweep the sea between Solomons and Gilberts(on the map in the above post, at the right) in the case he has something hiding there. I'm also going to bring my own carriers in that route to hopefully avoid early detection, and gain surprise.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #723 on: June 18, 2011, 09:22:04 am »

While bold and daring, I don't think you have anything to worry about.  He's still down his carriers, so no doubt you're going to get a few good licks on in on him.  Material wise it'll probably not dent him, but I think it'll be a big blow for morale.  I also highly doubt you'll lose much/anything.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #724 on: June 18, 2011, 09:41:55 am »

While bold and daring, I don't think you have anything to worry about.  He's still down his carriers, so no doubt you're going to get a few good licks on in on him.  Material wise it'll probably not dent him, but I think it'll be a big blow for morale.  I also highly doubt you'll lose much/anything.

Yes, but I also want him to committ in this area. So I cannot strike immediately(other than to show him that I'm aware of what hes doing, at Manila Bay at least). The Kido Butai raid will be supported by Nisshin that will find the targets for the heavy units to hit, while showing up as just a cruiser to enemy aerial search.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #725 on: June 20, 2011, 04:28:57 am »

June 30th

New Guinea:


The Tanaka Squadron enters Milne Bay in the early hours, and finds what is probably an Allied amphibious convoy.


Japanese Ships
      CA Tone
      CA Chikuma
      CA Atago
      CA Myoko, Shell hits 2
      CA Mogami
      DD Oyashio
      DD Hamakaze
      DD Hagikaze
      DD Yudachi
      DD Yunagi
 
Allied Ships
      DM Tracy, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DM Sicard, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
      AG Regulus, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
      xAK Panaman, Shell hits 18,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      xAK Pennsylvanian, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
      xAK Utahan, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
      xAK Chatanooga City, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
      xAK Steel Ranger, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
      xAK Jacob Luckenbach
      xAK Mount McKinley, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
      xAK Admiral Y. Williams, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
      xAK Exmoor, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
      xAP Noordam, Shell hits 28, and is sunk



The Japanese cruiser force gets to fire broadsides at point-blank range of only 2,000 yards, and only Jacob Luckenbach escapes. However, just outside the bay, I-165 is awaiting:


Submarine attack near Milne Bay  at 101,133
 
Japanese Ships
      SS I-165
 
Allied Ships
      xAK Jacob Luckenbach, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
 
 
xAK Jacob Luckenbach is sighted by SS I-165
SS I-165 attacking xAK Jacob Luckenbach on the surface


Thus the Allies lose 10 transports, 1 big and valuable troop transport(xAP) and 2 long range (mine) destroyers.

Across the Solomon Sea, the Allied destroyer force of 5 pursues the Japanese, but after daybreak, relief force of 4 Japanese cruisers makes contact near Bougainville:

Japanese Ships
      CA Takao, Shell hits 1
      CA Furutaka, Shell hits 1
      CL Kashima, Shell hits 6,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      CL Yubari, Shell hits 1
 
Allied Ships
      DD Bagley, Shell hits 1
      DD Craven, Shell hits 3,  on fire
      DD Gridley, Shell hits 3,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DD Crane, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
      DD Kilty, Shell hits 3, and is sunk


Cruiser Kashima is heavily damaged as the contact was made at short range and the US ships concentrated their fire on her. 3 hits penetrated her belt armor, while the others hit her in the superstructure. Her ammunition magazines are now flooded, and shes  trying to make it home, her escorts helping to put out the small fires still left, I give her 50-50% chances.

Once the Japanese gained more distance to the Americans, the Americans' hits no longer gained penetrating hits, while the Japanese cruisers Takao and Furutaka hit all of the Americans multiple times with their 200mm main guns shooting high-trajectory shots at 20,000+ yards, both side/belt and deck penetrations were reported. The Japanese force scores 2 confirmed kills and Gridley as a probable, all of the Americans getting damaged.

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Aerial reconnaissance over Milne Bay confirms the presence of a small troop force, probably an engineer unit or a base force, while it could also be some poor infantry battalion. Why they needed 13 ships to move that battalion there is a mystery.

Regarding Kashima, her what now seems as a probable loss, for months if not for good, is purely my fault. Attaching an old 18-knot cruiser intended to escort convoys and lay mines with 3 33-knot heavily armed, thick skinned monsters, was just asking for trouble. Instead of 2 depth charge racks and 12 shots the force might as well have gone with 0, not that any WW2 era submarine submarine will manage to pull a firing solution on something that cruises at 33 knots... The sub needs Harpoon missiles to do that.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #726 on: June 20, 2011, 04:41:04 am »

Don't you have signal intelligence about what was in those transports? Still, two very nice sea actions.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #727 on: June 20, 2011, 04:53:45 am »

Don't you have signal intelligence about what was in those transports? Still, two very nice sea actions.

Japanese signal intelligence? You kidding?  :D

They didnt have troops aboard them when they were attacked, thats for sure. The Mount McKinley had liquid cargo that caught fire, other ships were either empty or carrying only supplies.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #728 on: June 20, 2011, 05:03:59 am »

By the way, the Allied DD squadron intercepted was NOT the one that almost caught our transports yesterday, that was


      DD Jarvis
      DD Tucker
      DD Cassin
      DD Downes


Of course, FOW is on and some ships might have been misidentified(happens very often), but there are destroyers from different classes, AND there are only 4 of them, vs. 5 that were engaged today.

Tulagi has lots of shipping reported, and 3 submarines are lurking around the area. With some luck, we'll catch a straggler or 2 from today's clashes.

Carrier Division I is preparing, CarDiv II arrives at Truk tomorrow morning, and will spend at least 2 days refueling and refitting.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #729 on: June 20, 2011, 10:55:14 am »

I don't know why, but sinking transports can be oddly satisfying sometimes, even if they aren't big combat ships.

Overall the other engagement didn't go too badly.  I'd say acceptable, if regrettable that Kashima was so battered afterwards.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #730 on: June 20, 2011, 01:18:33 pm »

I don't know why, but sinking transports can be oddly satisfying sometimes, even if they aren't big combat ships.

Overall the other engagement didn't go too badly.  I'd say acceptable, if regrettable that Kashima was so battered afterwards.

Yes, and fortunately Kashima isnt one of the big, mean, badass cruisers we cant afford to lose... Kato class cruisers were training ships in real life, used as HQ/flagships in the war. Katori itself was sunk by SBD bombers during the Battle of Marshalls(where we the following day nailed Lexington and Enterprise, if Kashima goes down, the last ship of the class left is Kashii, now escorting Kido Butai's oilers a few days sail to the West from Truk.

Those xAKs he can afford to lose literally in hundreds, but each of those US Navy xAPs should hurt. Many if not most of them can later be converted into APA amphibious assault motherships.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #731 on: June 20, 2011, 02:13:14 pm »

I don't know why, but sinking transports can be oddly satisfying sometimes, even if they aren't big combat ships.

Overall the other engagement didn't go too badly.  I'd say acceptable, if regrettable that Kashima was so battered afterwards.

Yes, and fortunately Kashima isnt one of the big, mean, badass cruisers we cant afford to lose... Kato class cruisers were training ships in real life, used as HQ/flagships in the war. Katori itself was sunk by SBD bombers during the Battle of Marshalls(where we the following day nailed Lexington and Enterprise, if Kashima goes down, the last ship of the class left is Kashii, now escorting Kido Butai's oilers a few days sail to the West from Truk.

Those xAKs he can afford to lose literally in hundreds, but each of those US Navy xAPs should hurt. Many if not most of them can later be converted into APA amphibious assault motherships.

Yep.  Maybe I just like things blowing up  :D

How are the Japanese in that area though?  Where would the line for Imperial transports be, 50, 100, etc?
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #732 on: June 20, 2011, 02:33:48 pm »

I don't know why, but sinking transports can be oddly satisfying sometimes, even if they aren't big combat ships.

Overall the other engagement didn't go too badly.  I'd say acceptable, if regrettable that Kashima was so battered afterwards.

Yes, and fortunately Kashima isnt one of the big, mean, badass cruisers we cant afford to lose... Kato class cruisers were training ships in real life, used as HQ/flagships in the war. Katori itself was sunk by SBD bombers during the Battle of Marshalls(where we the following day nailed Lexington and Enterprise, if Kashima goes down, the last ship of the class left is Kashii, now escorting Kido Butai's oilers a few days sail to the West from Truk.

Those xAKs he can afford to lose literally in hundreds, but each of those US Navy xAPs should hurt. Many if not most of them can later be converted into APA amphibious assault motherships.

Yep.  Maybe I just like things blowing up  :D

How are the Japanese in that area though?  Where would the line for Imperial transports be, 50, 100, etc?

As long as they're just xAK and xAKL, I'd say somewhere around 200. After that, maintaining the economy and supplying bases will become difficult, let alone simultaneous amphibious operations. More are being built, but Japanese naval industry is nowhere near the Allies... After mid 1944 I dont think there is even enough ammunition in the entire Empire (as it is now) to sink every Allied ship.

xAPs on the other hand are much more rare and more valuable, as are the military ships AK and AP. Tankers(TK) are also very valuable, together with xAK-t(that can be converted from xAKs) as only they can carry oil, and carry much more fuel than regular xAKs(that carry fuel in barrels).

Support ships are often undervalued, but I'm escorting my oilers, AO, as carefully as my CV fleet, as they are the part of the Kido Butai that actually makes it Kido, mobile, or moving.
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #733 on: June 23, 2011, 03:19:28 am »

OK, I'm leaving abroad for a week tomorrow as is my opponent on his holidays. The game will be on hold until July 12th or 13th. Considering there are over 9k reads I suppose some peeps actually read this?  :)
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Re: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - June 29th
« Reply #734 on: June 23, 2011, 10:25:42 am »

It's like one of the biggest threads in this subforum  ;D
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