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Re: In Yamamoto's Boots; War in the Pacific: AE PBEM
« Reply #195 on: February 28, 2011, 08:39:04 pm »

Yeah, it has to make it too painful for America to continue. (Like the terrorists.) If America becomes truly dedicated to the defeat of a nation, that nation is utterly fucked.
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« Reply #196 on: March 01, 2011, 02:07:58 am »

Almost forgot, 3 Battleships bombarded Paotow, they destroyed all those pesky British torpedo boats and the area being clear, also killed about 400 Chinese troops in the garrison.

The US built a pretty good number of carriers (in the teens) over the course of the war. Knocking out 3-5 of them (as he might be able to do in this coming battle) pretty much guarantees him superiority for a very long time--until the US can replace not just one of those, but enough to challenge Kido Butai again. This sort of series of defeats in detail is exactly how Japan has to fight to win.

Yep, and especially the US carriers are important. They wont be getting too many (more) carriers until Spring 1943 which is 360 turns from now. Any carrier loss they are given NOW will push them back for months. Killing Enterprise and every single of its escort vessels, including 3 heavy cruisers, for the loss of just TWO planes was a major victory. But not enough, a second victory of that kind is needed to buy the time.

I was waiting for the Amis to react to the Rabaul invasion, which they never did. I had a discussion with my opponent, and apparently he had absolutely no idea the KB was in the area, and the raid to Aussieland's NE coast and Port Moresby came as a complete surprise. Probably he now still expects the KB to lurk somewhere in the vicinity and is afraid to commit his carriers. Unless he has moved them to the West Coast, they are probably somewhere around Fiji, or Pearl Harbour. Japanese submarines would have spotted the search planes if they were in Australia, and I don't think hes taking the risks of not using the search planes. Losing a carrier to a submarine would be too much.  :P

Current estimated carrier situation is,


Imperial Japanese Navy:

Kido Butai at Hong Kong, 4 days from (fully) ready to sortie:
CV Akagi, flag ship Red Castle
CV Kaga
CV Zuikaku
CV Soryu
CV Hiryu
CV Shokaku
CVL Ryujo
CVL Shoho
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165 A6M2 Zero, 155 B5N, 130 D3A1

Mini-KB at Celebes Sea:
CVL Zuiho
CVE Hosho
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20 A6M2 Zero at (12 more after refits), 20 B5N

Reserve at Kobe:
CVE Taiyo
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no aircraft, one Zero unit moving to Home Islands for carrier operations training


USN:

TF 58:
CV Saratoga
CV Wasp
CV Yorktown
1-2 CVEs
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~210 aircraft, absolute max. 270(but they dont have enough (adequate) planes and pilots to do that)
Wildcat, probably still some Buffaloes, SBD-2 and 3, TBT Vindicator(which is a useless junk)

Royal Navy:

CV Indomitable (?)
CVE Hermes
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max 70 aircraft in total, mostly hopelessly outdated models. Especially bombers are very poor.

Tactically, IJN's advantages are of course numerical superiority(for now), quality of pilots and planes(Japanese strike further with torpedoes and bring heavier bomb load further). USN CTF's only advantages are defensive position in which they might be able to use land based air units in the upcoming carrier battle, as well as their Fleet Carriers being faster. They can do 30 or 31 knots, where the Kido Butai has to go with the slowest carrier which is Kaga at 27 knots. However unlike the Japanese CVLs, the US escort carriers can only do 16-18 knots. If they want to use all their numbers, they will have to give up their speed advantage, and with some good Japanese planning, a max-range engagement can be forced to deny the Americans their ability to strike back.

British will move 2-3 more carriers to the Theatre during the next 5 months, Americans at least 1, and another CVE. That means we have max 5 months to force the carrier battle at our terms. Construction of CV Junyo is being hurried(expending 3 times the normal HI and NSY points for construction), and is 31 days away. Its a big carrier that can in theory hold 60 planes, it has belt and deck armour, good array of AAA guns, but can only do 25 knots. I'm still going to attach it to the KB, there just are never enough carriers... 3 months away is also its sister ship, the Hiyo.

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But I thought the whole point of America's strength was its superiority in its rate of manufacturing, was it not? Would those carriers be built again if destroyed even at this point?

It is. From mid-43 onwards they build so many fighters alone that even the Japanese pilot training cant keep up. One year more and the really Big Gear kicks in, there is absolutely no hope of a long-term victory when they can replace ANY casualty given within months. Thats why its important to get early victories, move ahead as quick as possible, get the oil and resources to run the industry with, build pools and reserves and prepare to what will inevitably come.

When the US monster fleets with literally 50 carriers sail the seas with 800-1,000 Hellcats and Corsairs CAPing theres nothing left to do, but for now we can prevent them from keeping their carriers alive to actually build that fleet. Each loss they now receive puts the unstoppable monster fleet back at least 2 months.

EDIT: I'd have "better" uses for my land based bombers but I'm preparing for the carrier battle, so I already have bombers in Bedeloab, Truk, Kwajalein, and some fighters. If possible I want to use the land based air to support the carrier based... Even if they would go in before the carriers' squads and get slaughtered, there would be less fighters in the CAP waiting. KB will also always have the escort destroyers and a battleship squadron with it to give AAA support and draw fire. Any of the Japanese battleships can survive an attack by the whole current USN carrier based air force, but none of the carriers can, without cover, not even bad weather at enemy bombers' extreme range.

Also lots of reserve cruisers, destroyers and submarines at Truk and Kwajalein ready to react to whatever will come. I hope he doesnt strike quite yet, 7 days thank you.  :)

edit 2: also Secret Operation "P" underway, the big day is Feb 2nd... It includes 8 submarines of various sizes, and lots of sake.  ;D
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« Reply #197 on: March 01, 2011, 05:31:47 am »

I think KB will next raid Fiji and Hebrides... They are so far that my opponent is probably preparing & building up, should have lots of stuff and with some luck a supply/oil/troop convoy to Australia. After the raid the KB can also retire to refit to Truk which is fairly close, no free shots for the Allies in the mid pacific.

UNLESS, if Singapore falls in the next 7 days, KB will raid Indian Ocean. There lots of ships in Rangoon and without a doubt Calcutta and Ceylon, the British carriers as well. 3-4 cruisers surprised and sank more would teach them.
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Re: In Yamamoto's Boots; War in the Pacific: AE PBEM
« Reply #198 on: March 01, 2011, 11:55:01 am »

So no epic carrier battle yet?
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« Reply #199 on: March 01, 2011, 11:59:29 am »

So no epic carrier battle yet?

No, not sure where they even are, and my carriers need another 4 days at Hong Kong.
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« Reply #200 on: March 01, 2011, 12:34:34 pm »

Not quite sure which turn, I think its Jan 30th(after all) as the planning phase was for Feb 1st...

Very quiet day, only action were the British counter attacking in Moulmein(failed pathetically), Chinese near Liyeng(they failed as well), 15 Blenheims bombing Bangkok(at least 6 shot down, 7-8 damaged) and Japanese bombers sinking some harbour defense ships in Rangoon, 4 or 5 of the defending Buffaloes shot down by Zeroes.

Just the standard air raids on Chinese targets, even those crappy bombers with trainee crews work well at low altitudes when the opposition has nothing to hide under or anything to shoot back with...

EDIT: Enemy carriers located 50-60% probably by signal intelligence corps. Hex 165, 127 between Line Islands and Johnston Island, about 500 nautical miles East and some South from Kwajalein. They're far off from the direct Hawaii-Kwajalein or Hawaii-Rabaul routes, probably heading Fiji or Australia. Good to know.  :)

EDIT2: that was actually 2 days ago. If they're going after Rabaul or Kwajalein they'll be in strike range tomorrow or day after, depending on their hurry and task force composition.
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« Reply #201 on: March 01, 2011, 01:34:48 pm »

Some careful study of known pieces of information has also revealed that the US Carrier sank on December 12th was actually CV Lexington, not Enterprise. That means the US Pacific Fleet's flagship is already bagged... That means their 3 remaining CVs are

CV Enterprise
CV Saratoga
CV Yorktown

They are all the same aircraft capacity but only Saratoga is a Lexington class ship which is faster, longer ranged and much better protected than the lighter Yorktown class ones, Yorktown and Enterprise.

Not that this changes much, but nice to know one of the real heavies is already down...
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« Reply #202 on: March 01, 2011, 02:40:26 pm »

Jan 31st

Signal corps again heavy volume radio transmissions, this time 140, 158 - right off the NE coast of Fiji! In just 3 days it has moved sqrt(21^2+15^2)=8,5/day = 14 knots - thats the cruising speed of bigger warships, not transports! Any transport TF would struggle to reach that, typically they sail just 7-9 knots. We've found them!

All quiet again apart from the standard China action and sieges of Philippines and Singapore, Chinese bombers raid Shanghai and 3 get shot down. Reinforcements arrive to Kendari tomorrow, they'll wipe out the surviving defenders.

Also Secret Operation "P" is ahead of its schedule, and will be begin early hours tomorrow. May the Ancestors be with everyone taking part. Banzai!
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Re: In Yamamoto's Boots; War in the Pacific: AE PBEM
« Reply #203 on: March 01, 2011, 04:42:24 pm »

Good luck. BANZAI!
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Re: In Yamamoto's Boots; War in the Pacific: AE PBEM
« Reply #204 on: March 01, 2011, 08:49:00 pm »

BANZAI!

Let's kill those carriers!
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« Reply #205 on: March 01, 2011, 09:24:51 pm »

Doit! :D
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« Reply #206 on: March 02, 2011, 04:43:29 am »

BANZAI!

Let's kill those carriers!

We need to get them to the sandbox first. I was thinking about another bait & switch operation or two, maybe an early bluff invasion with something expandable on, say, New Caledonia or Vanuatu? They'd both be close and surely make him react.

Can do one in about a month, but first need to see where he moves them, my bet is East Coast Australia after a while. He might be expecting an early invasion of Solomons. Not going to happen. For now, submarines, submarines! to Fiji and a search plane unit to Rabaul.
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« Reply #207 on: March 02, 2011, 04:57:50 am »

Some more intel info:

CV Wasp has been sighted in the Mediterranean and CV Ranger known to be in the Atlantic. This confirms the known 3 existing CVs and possibly a single CVE to be the USN's only CV presence in the Pacific.


As soon as KB is ready, if Singapore hasn't fallen by then, it will relocate to Truk. Ryujo is now getting more planes from Formosa and Zuikaku and Soryu are stood down for repairs so its impossible to react to the US CV fleet while retaining trustworthy numerical superiority for now.

Zuiho and Hosho will stay in the Celebes, I want to let the Amis have some carriers to look at and less KB to think about. Once they have to retire I might as well attach Zuiho to the KB to bring the aircraft numbers to 500(!) while using Hosho for a diversion raid or even a bait. It'll get BB escort for minimum so no worries Yamo.  ;)
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« Reply #208 on: March 02, 2011, 08:55:06 am »

It fills us with trepidation that the Emperor should consider our welfare for even a second.  We are certainly unworthy of divine concern.
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Re: In Yamamoto's Boots; War in the Pacific: AE PBEM
« Reply #209 on: March 02, 2011, 10:08:50 am »

Kill, kill, kill! Blood for the blood god!

Can we have a map?
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