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Author Topic: War in the Pacific: AE PBEM - July 1st 1942  (Read 93579 times)

Journier

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wait a second i thought you nailed the cl enterprise with 2 torpedo's before?

2 torpedo's should have sunk that damn thing easily if not outright.

unless im getting AAR's mixed up.

ive nailed cl's with 1 torpedo and see em sink or sink within a week of trying to travel home.

and on the death of saburo sakai....

American bombers are bullshit powerful in handling fighters attacking them. While my own bombers all 150-200 of them in various air groups have only 2 fighter kills between them all. :/

10 or so b-17's will regularly kill 1 of my attacking planes and damage 3+ more.
150 helens attacking an airport with cap, will kill 0 and damage 1 or 0 every time for me.

How they handled the whole american bomber thing is ridiculous if you ask me,
the Helens have decent guns all over them, they should be at the least damaging more planes than they do :/
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wait a second i thought you nailed the cl enterprise with 2 torpedo's before?

2 torpedo's should have sunk that damn thing easily if not outright.

unless im getting AAR's mixed up.

ive nailed cl's with 1 torpedo and see em sink or sink within a week of trying to travel home.

You dont remember wrong, 2 x type 91 torpedoes 230nm from Rangoon, 1 x 60kg bomb in the belt, 1 250kg bomb through deck. Its also possible that either or both of the 2 x 250kg hits on CL Glasgow were actually on Enterprise. The torpedo hit I dont think was, 3 torpedoes would be just out of this world...

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and on the death of saburo sakai....

American bombers are bullshit powerful in handling fighters attacking them. While my own bombers all 150-200 of them in various air groups have only 2 fighter kills between them all. :/

10 or so b-17's will regularly kill 1 of my attacking planes and damage 3+ more.
150 helens attacking an airport with cap, will kill 0 and damage 1 or 0 every time for me.

How they handled the whole american bomber thing is ridiculous if you ask me,
the Helens have decent guns all over them, they should be at the least damaging more planes than they do :/

Yep. All Navy bombers have the Oerlikon 20mm cannon, or even 2 of them, for the top or tail gunner. Just a single hit should do considerable damage to anything fighter sized.

I too will uncork a bottle of wine when I will see my bombers even HIT an Allied fighter... Almost all of the Zeroes attacking even lighter 2-engine bombers such as B-26 or B-25 get hit multiple times.

I have been thinking about modding the Bf 110 G-2/R2 in the game and see how it does against the American 4Es in a custom test scenario. 6 x MG151/20 20mm + 2 x R-B Mk 108 30mm, all centerline mounted, IRL tore through the bombers like if they werent there.
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Well, allies need ground troops to occupy Germany, but what about the shitload of planes that were used to bomb it into submission? And what about the USSR, if I remember my history books correctly, once Germany fell, it shifted it's attention to China and pretty much blited through it.
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Well, allies need ground troops to occupy Germany, but what about the shitload of planes that were used to bomb it into submission? And what about the USSR, if I remember my history books correctly, once Germany fell, it shifted it's attention to China and pretty much blited through it.

Soviets most likely enter the war September 45 or max a few months after that.

The 8th and 9th Air Forces also stayed in Europe for a good while, as did the main body of the RAF. Also like all war products, aircraft were made for wartime use and just shipping or flying them halfway around the world to the Pacific would not have been very practical... Ie. RR Merlin-Packards in P-51s only had service life of less than 60 hours. Shipping them to the Pacific would have taken months, and as most planes were not designed to be disassembled and crated, would have taken lots of labour and time, just to get the thousands of already planes with already stressed airframes and lots of hours in their engines, and no intake air sand filters.

Like one of the advantages of the Bf 109 was in that it was by design made for field use: 100 hour engine life for DB601 and 605, V-inline engine inverted for much easier maintenance(cylinder heads down, no need to use ladders, everything checkable by just raising one cowling), detachable wings and frame partially field-repairable. Spitfires might have had fancy looking elliptic wings, but they'd build 3 equally effective 109s at the cost of a single spit, and those 109s didnt have to be sent back to the factory when they needed a new wing or tail.

Theres lots of British and US naval units from Europe, though. Such as good part of the Royal Navy's battleship and carrier fleet that was mainly just killing time, at anchor in Scapa Flow...
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Okay. And will soviet troops be under control of your opponent?
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I have been thinking about modding the Bf 110 G-2/R2 in the game and see how it does against the American 4Es in a custom test scenario. 6 x MG151/20 20mm + 2 x R-B Mk 108 30mm, all centerline mounted, IRL tore through the bombers like if they werent there.

I would do it if i knew how ^_^  I need to figure out how to make a new fighter design and ill definately test it. 10-1 its still ineffective. something about Japan vs American bombers , i swear the game doesnt care how many planes you flew up against 10 or 20 4E bombers. 150 fighters vs 10 4E's lol.... 4E's make it home with 2 or 3 dmged maybe 1 killed. :/

CMON.

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Yea the allies get control of Russia, and Russia moved over its divisions that were veterans in the west, to the japanese theatre, and since Japan didnt even have real tanks to face the Russians, The T-34-85 probably seemed like what a King Tiger felt like to the Russians, a God that needed a purpose made weapon to even destroy it. Except the Russians had thousands of them. Japanese had no chance at that point.
Not to mention, the Russians made it a point to completely overwhelm the Japanese forces in Manchuria, 5x the artillery, 5000 tanks? (t-34 etc) twice or more the amount of aircraft.... Its sorta crazy.

I imagine the Artillery number advantage was one of the biggest effectors for them since artillery caused like 70% of the casualties in WW2. something like that.
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I have been thinking about modding the Bf 110 G-2/R2 in the game and see how it does against the American 4Es in a custom test scenario. 6 x MG151/20 20mm + 2 x R-B Mk 108 30mm, all centerline mounted, IRL tore through the bombers like if they werent there.

I would do it if i knew how ^_^  I need to figure out how to make a new fighter design and ill definately test it. 10-1 its still ineffective. something about Japan vs American bombers , i swear the game doesnt care how many planes you flew up against 10 or 20 4E bombers. 150 fighters vs 10 4E's lol.... 4E's make it home with 2 or 3 dmged maybe 1 killed. :/

CMON.

On russia.
Yea the allies get control of Russia, and Russia moved over its divisions that were veterans in the west, to the japanese theatre, and since Japan didnt even have real tanks to face the Russians, The T-34-85 probably seemed like what a King Tiger felt like to the Russians, a God that needed a purpose made weapon to even destroy it. Except the Russians had thousands of them. Japanese had no chance at that point.
Not to mention, the Russians made it a point to completely overwhelm the Japanese forces in Manchuria, 5x the artillery, 5000 tanks? (t-34 etc) twice or more the amount of aircraft.... Its sorta crazy.

I imagine the Artillery number advantage was one of the biggest effectors for them since artillery caused like 70% of the casualties in WW2. something like that.

Problem is probably the relatively low speed difference combined with all the guns, numbers and armour(or lack of it in zero/ki43/44).

N1K, J2M and Ki-84 OTOH work fairly well against B-17, B-24, even B-29...  ;)

EDIT: you can mod stuff in to your custom scenarios using the editor. Thousands of aircraft slots free, and you can add your own top and side graphics.
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May 6th, May 7th

Follow on B-17 strike to Rabaul didnt do nearly as well as the first: at least 4 B-17s were shot down, intel says 8(!) now that 2-engine mediums didnt come along. 2 Zeroes were lost.

In Burma, a Chinese division attacks across river Kwai... and loses about 99% of its strength achieving a beachhead. Approximately 2,800 men for 0 Japanese losses. Superior race, be sure!

G4Ms keep pounding Rangoon's port, RAF refusing to fly. In 2 days we probably knocked out 2 more transports and hurt 2, and theres no sight of the Enterprise...
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So Enterprise is sunk, or is there a chance of it having managed to slip by in the night?

Also, interesting he's so desesperate to establish a beachhead.
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if that damn thing didnt sink, its ridiculous, should be renamed the Cruiser Enterprise, due to its apparent ability to take punishment.
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if that damn thing didnt sink, its ridiculous, should be refitted into the Battleship Enterprise, due to its apparent ability to take punishment.

I fixed that for you. Vive la Japan!
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So Enterprise is sunk, or is there a chance of it having managed to slip by in the night?

Also, interesting he's so desesperate to establish a beachhead.

With 2 torpedoes and 2 bombs(other 250kg or 520lbs, through deck), shes not going anywhere. Weather has been good so patrols from Bangkok or Port Blair would have spotted her. Theres also a submarine on guardi some distance away. She has either sunk, or still heavily damaged in the port... I'd say she needs a few bombs more, as the 250kg bomb was not reported to start fires, and was unlikely to have caused more floatation damage. We will continue bombing Rangoon until we run out of targets, RAF shows up again or a new convoy from India is sighted. If hes going to send a new supply effort, though I dont think he needs to for a few weeks at least, I dont think he can protect it.
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Ahah, the Siege of Rangoon. Can you target supplies depots or something like that?
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Ahah, the Siege of Rangoon. Can you target supplies depots or something like that?

Supply dumps and oil/fuel storages are in the ports, more supply dumps at the airfields. Bombing ports results in ship, port, supply, drydock(if present) and fuel depot hits, while airfield attacks result in airfield building/services, runway, parked aircraft and supply hits.

EDIT: also troops can get hit in both attacks, usually base forces if its an airfield attack.

I've tried some airfield strikes but the port is more important target. If they take off we shoot their fighters down any way and the 9 or 12 Wellingtons that strike Bangkok every night are yet to hit a thing.

Just woke up, no turn in the mail... But probably again 2 in the evening.
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May 8th

Weather stops all flying over Burma. AVG's P-39D wing seems to have moved to China: 2 of them show up intercepting a bomber raid near Hong Kong, but escort Ki-43s deal away with both of them. I'm preparing to move more fighters in the area just in case more show up during the next week or so.

Submarine I-165 scores 3 hits on 2 huge troop transports near Port Moresby, one sinking...

And thats it. My opponent will be spending his 9-day holiday somewhere else, so I suppose its time to play some Dwarf Fortress... Current embark is gold, galena & tetrahedrite only, goblinite turned off, war with elves. Will be fun... No coal either.  ;)
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