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metime00

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Weapon Traps
« on: January 29, 2011, 08:15:03 pm »

One quick question about weapon traps: Can enemies dodge them and move to a different tile like they can for a regular attack?
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 08:18:52 pm »

Yes. This is the basis for some trap designs, which put a thin walkway covered in cheap traps over a long drop. Enemies walk on the traps, dodge off the edge, and SPLAT!
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 08:20:24 pm »

Good, that means the ten z levels I dug won't be for naught. Thanks!

Now to line the bottom with upright spikes. That does extra damage, right?
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 08:21:31 pm »

Now to line the bottom with upright spikes. That does extra damage, right?
Yes, though with a 10-z drop they'll probably be superfluous.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 08:23:13 pm »

Except the enemies will have to go through multiple levels of above the chasm. This is gonna be fun. I'm finally getting the most out of fortress mode.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 08:57:33 pm »

I like to augment the weapon traps with chained war dogs, as creatures with trapavoid(FB's, thieves, some other random critters) will not dodge the weapon traps, but they WILL dodge a vicious dog.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 08:58:55 pm »

Now if only I could figure out how kennels work...
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 09:04:09 pm »

Now if only I could figure out how kennels work...

Build kennel.
"Train a war dog"
Will have someone with animal training who'll train up any creatures which can be trained in this manner (only dogs, although you can mod the raw files and get WAR BEARS).

War creatures are a bit stronger.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 09:05:54 pm »

Now if only I could figure out how kennels work...


Assign the 'animal training' labor to a dwarf, build a kennel 'b-k', works like any other workshop from there. 'a'dd a task, train 'w'ar animal.

If you have only one dwarf train all your war dogs, they will chase that one dwarf around until assigned to a military dwarf or detained in some manner (chain/rope, cage, pit).  I Use this to my advantage, and embark with 12 dogs, and my 2 plant gatherers, woodcutter, and fisherdwarf all get 3 dogs each through some micro management of who has the animal training labor enabled while I set the kennel to train dogs 3 at a time.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2011, 09:07:47 pm »

Now if only I could figure out how kennels work...

Build kennel.
"Train a war dog"
Will have someone with animal training who'll train up any creatures which can be trained in this manner (only dogs, although you can mod the raw files and get WAR BEARS).

War creatures are a bit stronger.

Actually, I think one of the species of bear is actually war-trainable without a DM, as are elephants (but be warned, elephants tend to trample and can accidentally squash friendlies, or so I have heard.  I only use elephants as food XD )

edit> Yeah just checked the raws, Grizzlies are trainable without a DM.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2011, 09:24:08 pm »

In the unmodded game, only Dogs, Grizzly Bears, and Elephants can be trained into war animals.  There are a dozen or so more that could be trained into war animals with a Dungeon Master, but Dungeon Masters are bugged and don't show up in the unmodded game.

War Elephants are awesome, and contrary to rumor will not accidentally trample friendly units.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2011, 09:25:44 pm »

I prefer to have enemies dodge into a room that just happens to be right next to my marksdwarves archery range. There's also a row of fortifications between them :P
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2011, 10:56:55 pm »

Add spikes if you can't, or don't want to, get magma in those pits and add the aroma of cooked goblin to the lovely vomit-scented air. "Thou shalt indulge in redundant overkill" is one of the Dwarf commandments.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2011, 11:29:52 pm »

In the unmodded game, only Dogs, Grizzly Bears, and Elephants can be trained into war animals.

... plus the big cats: Leopard, Jaguar, Tiger and Giant Leopard, Giant Jaguar and Giant Tiger. All without a DM.
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Re: Weapon Traps
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2011, 12:14:08 am »

Would using warhammers in a weapon trap cause the attacked creature to go flying like they sometimes do when hit by a dwarf with them?
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