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[Vicid]

Hey all.

So I'm working on a new campaign with conservative nightmare and we didn't start the fire.

I'm sure you can understand, then, the need for my founder to work behind the shadows having as little to do with the LCS as possible, especially when it comes to raids.  (I want liberated child workers and brainwashed people doing those things)

The problem is this: How can he become an elite liberal without kills?  I need him to raise his stats so that he can write for the liberal guardian and interrogate people but I don't think those things will gain him Juice.

[Supercharazad]

Kill people at crack houses and slum blocks.

EDIT: DOES NOT WORK IN CURRENT VERSION!

[Akroma]

if your founder has enough stealth or disguise, just let him rob appartments.


you will gain juice for every item stolen, and if you manage to get away without alerting everyone, nobody will know the LCS is behind the theft




if police law is still arch-conservative, I suggest a police disguise

[Vicid]

Kill people at crack houses and slum blocks.

No one ever blames the LCS for this? And you never get wanted for murder?

[Servant Corps]

Guys, Vicid is asking how to get juice WITHOUT being wanted for crimes. If you kill people or steal stuff, you will be wanted for crime, you'll just avoid it.

Vicid, the game is designed so that the best way to GET juice is to in fact commit crimes. That's how the game is designed. That being said, volunteering gives you juice (up to 10, I think). I'd actually suggest Civil Disturbance as a better way to get juice (up to 20), but what Civil Disturbance does is randomly choose an action for you to do, and some of these actions will get you criminal charges (such as Assault), which is not what you want. If you have Leadership skill, you get juice when your subordinates get juice...so if you have your subordinates commit crimes, you too will end up getting the fruits of that. Just make sure your subordinates don't get caught and rat you out, otherwise, you'll get wanted for 'racketing'.

[enigma74]

Kill people at crack houses and slum blocks.

No one ever blames the LCS for this? And you never get wanted for murder?

The short answer to this is yes, killing conservatives in the ghetto does not count as murder.  I think Servant Corps who posted above is not aware of this loophole in the law.  Some players recommend punching a hapless conservative teenager to death with a squad of 6 non-martial artists to get free juice.  Spraying grafitti (sp?) works too.

The long answer is that while you are safe from charges on-site, you become vulnerable to accusations of crime while attempting to escape the ghetto.  I've taken 'too long' beating up conservatives in the ghetto, and I have been attacked by 16+ gang members or the CCS while making my escape.  Killing your enemies while escape DOES count as murder, so be careful.

[Ze Spy]

As Supercharazad said, Kill people at ghettos

[jester]

Ill break down how I juice up my Liberals, it might help explain some stuff.
  Take a squad of goons, lets say we want to make some musicians, so having no rap sheets are important.  I recruit a squad of 5 or 6, whatever you want. 

Step 1.  set them all to liberal disobedience,  they will improve to 20 juice, occasionally 23 for some reason.  There is a risk of your liberals getting caught and getting a) badly beaten, b) arrested something very low order, I cant remember what its called, c) both.  the risk isnt high but doing community service is a no danger way to get to 10 juice if you want to take that option.

Step 2.  dump them all in a squad and equip someone with a spraycan, then send the squad to the crackden or whatever.  Spray away until everybody has 50 juice.  As stated by other people you dont get criminal charges from crimes commited onsite, only while escaping from the crackden/slum/etc.

step 3.  I send whoever I want to be trained up further to a squad that lives in one of the upmarket apartments, the squad is led by my founder or a prostitute I have trained up.  Both have good lockpick, seduction, disguise, persuasion, charisma and driving.    The trick with this is that stealing from rooms doesnt seem to cause any charges, it is breaking down doors that give the charges if you can get away ok.  So use the map, look for decent amounts of loot on the lower 2 floors and then get out.  Dont break down any doors, dress everybody up in police uniforms to make things a bit easier.  If you meet a low level conservative in a room, try for a seduction (makes the conservative dissapear), if it is high level just run away.  Use your pro team leader to bluff past anybody who you meet on the way out, this is good for 10-80 juice a day.  As long as you stay in the lower 2 levels and dont stuff about getting out if the alarm is raised its not a hard grind to get to 200 juice.

I usually think that 200 juice is fine for my 'base level' operatives.  taggers, drug runners, musos, hackers etc.

I have 3 problems with having my musos go and bash teenies in the crack den   1.  my hippies are generally fat and lazy, I picked then for their 15 starting heart, not their agility, so they cant run if you hang about  too long, I got sick of losing whole squads after sticking around too long.  2.  A squad of 6 doesnt get that much juice from a bashing, only the hitter gets juice each time, and the teenie can go down after 2 rounds.  3.  conservatives get a bit sparse on the ground in the crack dens after you kill a few, I always got inpatient and got a few of my guys shot by gangmembers or bikers or something.

edit: well the community service doesnt gain juice anymore so that is out.  Stealing still isnt a crime if you dont get caught though.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

I'll give fair warning that I'm planning to close the "crack house loophole" for the purposes of crimes next release. They still won't generate news stories, though.

You can get away with theft without becoming wanted if you avoid notice.

[nenjin]

I'll give fair warning that I'm planning to close the "crack house loophole" for the purposes of crimes next release. They still won't generate news stories, though.

Yay for realism.

The thing is that any non-criminal activities have a low threshold for juice. Many (most? all?) cap out way low, so you can end up with an elite liberal without exposing them to some risk. 10, 50, something like that, is where most legal activities won't give you juice anymore. Volunteer work will rehabilitate people with negative juice back to zero, but nothing else.

Criminal acts however, there's almost no cap to how much juice they will provide.

[EuchreJack]

I'll give fair warning that I'm planning to close the "crack house loophole" for the purposes of crimes next release. They still won't generate news stories, though.

You can get away with theft without becoming wanted if you avoid notice.

Yay, I was asking for just this correction in another post!

[Zangi]

So basically all assault, armed assault and murder will now count?

What about doing it half way...  murder and armed assault will count and  assault will not count?

[Jonathan S. Fox]

So basically all assault, armed assault and murder will now count?

What about doing it half way...  murder and armed assault will count and  assault will not count?

Part of the idea is to make it so that punch-outs with teenagers aren't a risk-free strategy for leveling up. Maybe a "fight club" style underground brawling thing?

[Greenbane]

Hmm, slightly off-topic, but... Would it be too easy if the police station had a hackable computer from which you could erase your liberals' criminal records with a successful (hard) Computers roll? Maybe you could delete one random record at a time, requiring multiple infiltrations to clean the entire LCS. Maybe sleepers in there should be able to tamper with the records as well, through an espionage option.

[Silent_Thunder]

Hmm, slightly off-topic, but... Would it be too easy if the police station had a hackable computer from which you could erase your liberals' criminal records with a successful (hard) Computers roll? Maybe you could delete one random record at a time, requiring multiple infiltrations to clean the entire LCS. Maybe sleepers in there should be able to tamper with the records as well, through an espionage option.

Well I know in real life they back everything up on paper as well, so they would still be a record of it.