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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 376677 times)

Scoops Novel

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3855 on: February 07, 2013, 12:58:16 pm »

Outside of wikipedia if possible, but thanks anyway. I should just compile a list of reliable up to date sources to be honest.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3856 on: February 07, 2013, 12:59:43 pm »

Theory: Novel doesn't have access to google.
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« Reply #3857 on: February 07, 2013, 01:01:04 pm »

Theory; you likely have access to fairly trustworthy sources which i don't have the time to find trawling ;). Deadlines.
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« Reply #3858 on: February 07, 2013, 01:08:27 pm »


We are only brains connected to the internet, Novel, most of what we know can be found there.
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« Reply #3859 on: February 07, 2013, 03:11:25 pm »

Theory; you likely have access to fairly trustworthy sources which i don't have the time to find trawling ;). Deadlines.

AKA wikipedia 90% of the time.
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« Reply #3860 on: February 07, 2013, 03:13:50 pm »

Wikipedia lists all it's sources at the bottom. Not usually hard to find.
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« Reply #3861 on: February 07, 2013, 03:14:29 pm »

Theory; you likely have access to fairly trustworthy sources which i don't have the time to find trawling ;). Deadlines.

AKA wikipedia 90% of the time.

I have no idea what you're talking about.[citation needed?]
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« Reply #3862 on: February 07, 2013, 03:16:46 pm »

Wikipedia lists all it's sources at the bottom. Not usually hard to find.

Yeah, and they're often pretty good. I respect the veracity of most of the stuff I find on wikipedia. I'm just saying Novel can find most of this stuff in 3 clicks.
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« Reply #3863 on: February 07, 2013, 03:34:56 pm »

If Australia is a continent why isn't Japan or Greenland?
Because its way bigger?

Why does Antarctica get to be a continent when most of it is floating ice and not land?

Because most of it is land, and not floating ice.

Antarctica's pretty frickin' small sans all the floating ice. Smaller than Greenland IIRC (I don't know if greenland is also sans all its floating ice for that comparison, though.)

Hate to continue on this tangential topic, however I feel that this still needs to be corrected. Antarctica is twice the land area of Australia. It's not just mostly floating ice. Greenland is 1/7th of the area of Antarctica, therefor Australia is 3.5 times bigger than Greenland. That is why both are continents.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3864 on: February 07, 2013, 03:35:46 pm »

3.5 times bigger.
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« Reply #3865 on: February 07, 2013, 03:37:34 pm »

Whoops, finger slipped...

This is not to say i don't agree that continents really matter for definition of the boundaries of the EU, but I just don't like it when people go making broad statements based on terribly wrong facts.
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« Reply #3866 on: February 14, 2013, 04:00:39 pm »

Leatra, how popular is your sentiment? Is it shared by much of your age group? Do you hear similar thoughts in other middle eastern countries? I'd like to get a better handle on who the budding revolutionaries are and want, to be honest. Turkey is a start.
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« Reply #3867 on: February 14, 2013, 06:04:19 pm »

Well, that's a wide question but that mostly depends on where do you live, as much as the age group. For age, it's safe to say majority of people who are aged around 18-26 definitely hate Erdoğan and fundamentally Islamist ideologies. We hate Erdoğan big time. I know people who fantasize about assassinating him. Erdoğan's party frequently turns normal high schools into Islamic schools. As you can guess, this makes people like me fucking angry. Just recently, they have decided to close my former high school to open an Islamic school... Another reason why we hate Erdoğan is because of the fact that he turned Turkey into a KLEPTOCRACY. Him and his party is corrupted like hell. It's general knowledge around here. But you better not say that in Turkish. Suck up to Mr. President and he may get a little something something for you too. There is an adjective just created for suck-ups: Yandaş Medya (Loyalist Media)

Back to topic. Nowadays, university students are mostly apolitical when you compare it to like 30 years earlier. Back then, every student HAD a politic ideology set in his mind. If you said you didn't, you would have been lying.

Still, there are a lot of politically active young people. Most leftist organizations are almost exclusively formed of young people. Especially organizations like DevLis (Devrimci Liseliler = Revolutionary High-School Students... doesn't sound that silly in Turkish since most high-school goers regularly discuss politics) and DevUni (Devrimci Üniversiteliler = Revolutionary University Students). Organizations which aren't exclusively formed of young people still has lots of young people. For example. Maoist Communist Party and People's Liberation Army of Turkey members were almost all young adults. Maoist Communist Party members older than 30 only make up the 17,5% of the organization and members who are aged between 14 and 25 make up the %65 (last information is from wikipedia).

As you can guess, if a young Turkish citizen is interested in politics, he really is interested in politics. Especially Communism (mostly Leninist and Marxist... we hate Stalinism) is big among young people. Most people who formed these "terrorist" organizations have been tortured until died, committed suicide, got killed, got executed at young age. People who are aged less than 18 got executed too. Their legacy still lives on. Especially Deniz Gezmiş is known and loved by most young people. All they managed to do by executing was creating martyrs.

We also have the Ülkücü (direct translation: Idealist. True meaning: Nationalist) movement which is still popular among young adults and teens. However, I don't know much about that movement myself. Most of my friends have communistic or other less extreme leftist ideologies and I don't see myself as the friend of someone who is in the Grey Wolves... Ugh. Most people think of Grey Wolves when someone says Turkish Nationalism but there are other less extreme nationalist organizations too.

By the way I better correct a misconception before it pops out. Kemalism has nationalism too but it has nothing to do with this Ülkücü movement's ideas about nationalism. Kemalist nationalism is about culture and integrity, not color of skin or ethnic origins. Kemalism doesn't aim for Pan-Turkism. This is a complex topic and is still being discussed in Turkey. However, I can say that Kemalism has no room for racism. Then again, not all Ülkücü people are fascists anyway.

When you look at regions, in the Aegean region you can expect a Kemalist, secularist and leftist majority, especially in Izmir. When Erdoğan is going there, it's guaranteed that he will bring a police army with him. Leftists are also present in the east regions, especially in Tunceli, a city known as a haven for leftists and communists. People's Liberation Army of Turkey has originated from Tunceli. Mid-Eastern region is more conservative and Islamist.

The view on military coups are very varied. Only a minority regard it as a necessary evil. Who are these minority? It's usually people who have never seen a coup (young people) and people who oppose Erdoğan's agenda (leftist and/or secular people). However, most leftists, seculars and young adults still oppose military coups. There is a popular saying about coups: "Every coup pushes our country back 50 years."

Why Erdoğan wins elections even though he is hated like this? First, he bribes electors with free food and coal. Second, apolitical people. Third, weird stuff happens in buildings where elections take place. Fourth, he succeeds in using religion and making people forget every scandal. And fifth, fear, nobody likes to be arrested and tortured.

PS: This took me more than an hour to write. I mostly gathered information from Turkish websites and also threw in my personal opinions and experiences... It seems I mostly just rambled randomly. I'll post it anyway. My personal opinion? Well, I would settle for any government other than AKP unless it's corrupt, militaristic or oppressive... If the government doesn't tax something more than its worth (real price minus the taxes) it's a big bonus.
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« Reply #3868 on: February 17, 2013, 01:40:16 am »

Four foreign nationals have been arrested in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi on suspicion of being Christian missionaries, officials say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21488976
Hurray for freedom and human rights in Libya. Makes me wonder why those stubborn Christians and Alawites of Syria still keep resisting despite demands of "international community" to resign all powers to islamists.
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« Reply #3869 on: February 17, 2013, 01:44:02 am »

It is situations like these where we need to spend our goodwill with the Lybians to bring them closer to the West. Hopefully the fact that one of them was a dual Swedish/American will make the US get involved in that.
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