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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 377644 times)

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3000 on: September 15, 2012, 10:02:18 am »

If that's what passes for moderate in Egypt, they don't have a hope in the world.

Hence why I clarified that they are not moderates, but the "moderate Islamists".
If this were a year ago I would have told you that moderate Islamists are an oxymoron, but after seeing Tunisia's ruling party I do recognize the existence of that flavor of faction. All the same though, I wouldn't define the Muslim Brotherhood as moderate Islamists under that at all. Maybe not full-blown radicals like the Salafis, Wahabis, and Talibs, but still incompatible with things like human rights and democracy.

EDIT: Google rejects White House request to remove film clip.

Crazy riots in Sydney, complete with "Behead those who insult Islam" signs.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3001 on: September 15, 2012, 11:45:31 am »

I think there's at least three things going on here:

1: Retaliation by loyalists who actually had the heavy weapons
2: Thousands of unemployed troublemakers
3: Longstanding distrust between the Arab and Western world.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3002 on: September 15, 2012, 04:29:45 pm »

But yeah, someone get that damned plan through. We might have to convince someone to kidnap or murder the driving forces behind prison privatization first, though. Get rid of them somehow, anyway.
But if only the democrats were left America wouldn't really be a democracy any more...
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« Reply #3003 on: September 15, 2012, 04:39:35 pm »

There's privatization advocates (either vocally or via their votes) on both sides, not just republican. Dovetails nicely (somehow!) into that "tough of crime" utter bullshit both sides like to shovel occasionally to avoid losing votes or whatev'. Republican elements are a bit more shrill about it, but that's about it.

And, of course, the private prisons themselves have a nice chunk of lobbying money. It gets spread around. Leans republican, sure, but lots of folks get fed a bit from it.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3004 on: September 15, 2012, 04:45:51 pm »

Oh, the good ol' 60-40 ;)
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« Reply #3006 on: September 15, 2012, 08:51:18 pm »

And now the alleged film maker is being questioned regarding a violation of his parole.

Seems he was under an order not to use a computer. Also seems that uploading a video to Youtube may be a violation of such an order. Who knew?
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« Reply #3008 on: September 15, 2012, 08:55:56 pm »

Firstly, I can't believe he went with them if he hasn't been detained. If they don't detain or arrest you you don't have to give them an interview. Even if they do you don't have to give them an interview, you just can't leave.

Secondly, that's kind of an unreasonable restriction to place on someone. Not being allowed to use computers in the modern world is insane.
wouldn't the video in and of itself be illegal?

I mean, I could really imagine him being taken to court if he'd insulted Jesus or god or something.
Uh, what? Of course the video isn't illegal. You can't be taken to court for blasphemy in the US.
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« Reply #3009 on: September 15, 2012, 09:23:32 pm »

Firstly, I can't believe he went with them if he hasn't been detained. If they don't detain or arrest you you don't have to give them an interview. Even if they do you don't have to give them an interview, you just can't leave.
True, but the guy was potentially in violation of his parole. That's a case where you give the voluntary interview to prevent the involuntary detention and visit to a judge.

And it does sound like the voluntary part was after being confronted by that reality. At midnight.
Secondly, that's kind of an unreasonable restriction to place on someone. Not being allowed to use computers in the modern world is insane.
I agree, and can't imagine, say, job hunting without internet access these days, which is an even bigger problem for convicts. But it's not that uncommon for fraudsters or those convicted of other serious computer/electronic/financial offences. There is a substantial wikipedia section on this with lots of relevant case law. Seems the courts are fairly serious about justifying any such restrictions.
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« Reply #3010 on: September 15, 2012, 10:08:23 pm »

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« Reply #3011 on: September 15, 2012, 10:10:09 pm »

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« Reply #3012 on: September 15, 2012, 11:14:40 pm »

Hopefully that article will spread.

Hopefully....
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3014 on: September 16, 2012, 10:56:10 am »

95% of Libyans want militias to disarm immediately.
And that was before the attacks. Whoa. That's...very promising.
Sounds to me like it is pie in the sky thinking... since there is nobody to convince them to all disarm?  Or at least nobody with significant enforcement ability... that is without ending up turning a group or two of militia on the others.
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