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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 373386 times)

Kogan Loloklam

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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1215 on: February 28, 2011, 02:07:48 am »

The civil war in Libya was a epic troll. Gaddafi's son says so.

Go to the enternet, search there. Al Quada says it's part of a global war on... something.

Supposedly Tripoli is under direct siege now. I expect Gaddafi to be dead by this time tomorrow.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1216 on: February 28, 2011, 03:06:12 am »

I see Anonymous as a somewhat cohesive group due to arising from common social hubs.  They're ideas that become visible within these places and are likely to have a portion of the population in agreement and willing to act based on them.  There may be specific people that are really good at viral placement of ideas, but their persuasive abilities would be the only thing that makes them leadership.  Otherwise, they have no leverage to actually make anyone do anything.  If they plant ideas/suggestions that are unpopular, then there's no inherent pressure for anyone to go along with them.

When an idea is accepted enough to result in action involving a large group of people, it is labelled as "Anonymous" due to the nature of the event, not due to any officiality.  These videos with the headless suit explaining Anonymous' intent are basically someone taking the initiative to explain what's going on, as an identifying participant in whatever it is.  It's the memetic nature and spontaneity of internet organizational tools that have led to a certain style of semi-hive-minded flash mob which anyone who wants to can be a part of at any time, and Anonymous is just a label for this type of event.

This is the way I currently understand it, anyway.  Something to think about.

I think you hit the nail on the head, but the news media seems to think Anonymous is a formal group of hackers sitting in someone's basement, uplinking to the internet mainframe and datamining all of the tubes so the hard drive the RAM until it performs an illegal operation, which is a crime.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1217 on: February 28, 2011, 03:20:16 am »

Reading the mass of tweets coming out of the rebellion, I am starting to see a common theme of requests for outside help...

Medical supplies.

(Edit: I actually think this wouldn't be a bad thing to do, active medical support while this is going on. The problem is, How can we get medical supplies to a country that is currently a no-fly zone? Can't exactly overnight a Defibrillator to Tripoli.)
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1218 on: February 28, 2011, 03:29:32 am »

I see Anonymous as a somewhat cohesive group due to arising from common social hubs.  They're ideas that become visible within these places and are likely to have a portion of the population in agreement and willing to act based on them.  There may be specific people that are really good at viral placement of ideas, but their persuasive abilities would be the only thing that makes them leadership.  Otherwise, they have no leverage to actually make anyone do anything.  If they plant ideas/suggestions that are unpopular, then there's no inherent pressure for anyone to go along with them.

When an idea is accepted enough to result in action involving a large group of people, it is labelled as "Anonymous" due to the nature of the event, not due to any officiality.  These videos with the headless suit explaining Anonymous' intent are basically someone taking the initiative to explain what's going on, as an identifying participant in whatever it is.  It's the memetic nature and spontaneity of internet organizational tools that have led to a certain style of semi-hive-minded flash mob which anyone who wants to can be a part of at any time, and Anonymous is just a label for this type of event.

This is the way I currently understand it, anyway.  Something to think about.

That is the best summation of "Anonymous" I've seen.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1219 on: February 28, 2011, 03:48:50 am »

Reading the mass of tweets coming out of the rebellion, I am starting to see a common theme of requests for outside help...

Medical supplies.

(Edit: I actually think this wouldn't be a bad thing to do, active medical support while this is going on. The problem is, How can we get medical supplies to a country that is currently a no-fly zone? Can't exactly overnight a Defibrillator to Tripoli.)

Getting medical supplies to Tripoli is nearly impossible right now. The regime thugs just intercept the shipments. In fact, they're saying that hospitals in Tripoli are occupied by state security and are only allowing treatment of loyalists. Wounded protesters are turned away or "disappear".

In the east around Benghazi the situation is very different. I heard an interview with a Red Cross/Red Crescent coordinator on the ground in Benghazi and he said they were getting a steady flow of medical supplies from the egyptian border and by sea, and the city itself has two months supply of food. They say the situation in eastern Libya is better than in many years since Ghaddafi has been neglecting it for decades. Only problem in the east is that some roads are unsafe due to loyalist cells.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1220 on: February 28, 2011, 04:01:16 am »

Getting medical supplies to Tripoli is nearly impossible right now. The regime thugs just intercept the shipments. In fact, they're saying that hospitals in Tripoli are occupied by state security and are only allowing treatment of loyalists. Wounded protesters are turned away or "disappear".
Clearly we need to stage some French Resistance-style midnight medical drops to waiting agents who are actresses and sports vehicle drivers.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1221 on: February 28, 2011, 04:10:28 am »

Oh my god...



Tomorrow is Monday. My Senators, Congressmen, and every governmental official I can get a phone call to tomorrow is gonna hear an earful from me.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1222 on: February 28, 2011, 04:17:26 am »

God forbid anyone plugs up America's beloved loopholes  ::)
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1223 on: February 28, 2011, 04:20:28 am »

Especially those that allow our war criminals to be tried in our own nation rather than before the eyes of the international court. Or not tried, as the case may be.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1224 on: February 28, 2011, 04:32:05 am »

Can't risk a precedent where those poor, innocent employees of Blackwater or Xe or whatever it's called now could end up liable for their actions now could we.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1225 on: February 28, 2011, 07:09:18 am »

And then people Americans why people don't like USA.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1226 on: February 28, 2011, 08:26:38 am »

Yeah, everyone in the world Americans at the USA.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1227 on: February 28, 2011, 08:49:02 am »

 To be fair we were Americans for so long it was about time others started to Americans about something.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1228 on: February 28, 2011, 09:03:48 am »

Oops, I accidentally the whole post  :-[
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #1229 on: February 28, 2011, 09:18:11 am »

At least we're not Belgium.
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