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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 364360 times)

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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #345 on: February 02, 2011, 07:01:28 pm »

Glenn Beck is only 'far right' if you're a COMMUNIST... You're not a COMMUNIST, are you?

But in all seriousness: he may believe a more watered-down version of what he preaches on his show, but when the camera starts rolling, he lays it on thick and heavy to attract more attention/viewers. I've heard the term 'conservative porn' used to describe it.
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« Reply #346 on: February 02, 2011, 07:13:43 pm »

Glenn Beck is only 'far right' if you're a COMMUNIST... You're not a COMMUNIST, are you?

If I admit my guilt and direct you to other communists, do I get off free?

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« Reply #347 on: February 02, 2011, 07:24:41 pm »

Your repentance will not go unrewarded, now direct me to these vile Reds, that their evil may be CLEANSED.

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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #348 on: February 02, 2011, 07:34:17 pm »

Shit is getting really ugly over there.

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« Reply #349 on: February 02, 2011, 07:36:51 pm »

Tellemurius is a commie, so is G-Flex! They were extras in a communist hollywood movie and everything!

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« Reply #350 on: February 02, 2011, 07:37:13 pm »

I'm suspicious of reports of violence between protesters and "Mubarak supporters." So all the way up to now, they've been doing nothing, but after Mubarak agrees not to seek re-election, now they're taking to violent support of his presidency?

Methinks someone is trying to prevent a democratic, orderly transition of power. And it's probably not Mubarak.
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« Reply #351 on: February 02, 2011, 07:40:00 pm »

Tellemurius is a commie, so is G-Flex! They were extras in a communist hollywood movie and everything!
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« Reply #352 on: February 02, 2011, 07:44:35 pm »

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« Reply #353 on: February 02, 2011, 07:45:44 pm »

Tellemurius is a commie, so is G-Flex! They were extras in a communist hollywood movie and everything!
HOW DARE YOU, I AM A AMERICAN
If you want to be technical, he never said you weren't an American. Just a communist. They aren't exactly what you'd call popular, but there is a Communist Party USA. Hell, it isn't even the only communist party in the US, as the tab at the bottom of that page will show.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #354 on: February 02, 2011, 07:47:35 pm »

yes, but we're... not being technical, we're just dicking around.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #355 on: February 02, 2011, 07:47:52 pm »

I'm suspicious of reports of violence between protesters and "Mubarak supporters." So all the way up to now, they've been doing nothing, but after Mubarak agrees not to seek re-election, now they're taking to violent support of his presidency?

Methinks someone is trying to prevent a democratic, orderly transition of power. And it's probably not Mubarak.

I've said before that the fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia aren't having these mass riots is proof that the Islamists are going to take over in Egypt.
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« Reply #356 on: February 02, 2011, 07:48:44 pm »

What better thing to poke fun at then mccarthyism, the dumbest thing the US of A ever did twice.

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« Reply #357 on: February 02, 2011, 07:49:59 pm »

I'm suspicious of reports of violence between protesters and "Mubarak supporters." So all the way up to now, they've been doing nothing, but after Mubarak agrees not to seek re-election, now they're taking to violent support of his presidency?

Methinks someone is trying to prevent a democratic, orderly transition of power. And it's probably not Mubarak.
From what I've heard, this isn't the first time Mubarak would have implemented riots to drive away protesters. Him saying he won't run again means nothing. Think about it this way: dictator promises to step down to make people stop protesting. People stop protesting, opposition leaders are quietly rounded up over the course of the next several months, and the dictator goes back to business as usual. Without opposing protests and human rights abuses of said protesters, the international community condemns the dictator lightly, if not ignores it altogether, and he goes on his merry way. The president of Yemen who promised not to run again? He promised that several years ago but kept in power anyway.

In this case, the protesters aren't simply standing down and going back to work, leaving him with 1 option remaining. He has to make it appear as if he has large numbers of supporters and make it appear as if his supporters convince the protesters to stop protesting while he himself appears to remain innocent. And don't forget his spokesman's interview from yesterday stating "Mubarak has millions of supporters, they just don't have a need to protest;" at this point, all fingers point to Mubarak.

I'm suspicious of reports of violence between protesters and "Mubarak supporters." So all the way up to now, they've been doing nothing, but after Mubarak agrees not to seek re-election, now they're taking to violent support of his presidency?

Methinks someone is trying to prevent a democratic, orderly transition of power. And it's probably not Mubarak.
I've said before that the fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia aren't having these mass riots is proof that the Islamists are going to take over in Egypt.
Nope. Check the relative PPP of the countries you mention.
Egypt: PPP 6.3k/capita
Tunisia: PPP 8.2k/capita
Iran: PPP 11.3k/capita
Saudi: PPP 23.7k/capita
Iran and Saudi Arabia both have more wealth per person in addition to much more powerful governments. These riots aren't about ideology, they are about not being able to put bread on the table.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #358 on: February 02, 2011, 07:54:41 pm »

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Think about it this way: dictator promises to step down to make people stop protesting. People stop protesting, opposition leaders are quietly rounded up over the course of the next several months, and the dictator goes back to business as usual. Without opposing protests and human rights abuses of said protesters, the international community condemns the dictator lightly, if not ignores it altogether, and he goes on his merry way. The president of Yemen who promised not to run again? He promised that several years ago but kept in power anyway.

If this were 1970, and there wasn't documented evidence of his failure to maintain order and his backing away from demonstrators, I would agree with you. But his weakness has been shown internationally, there's no way short of military force that he's going to get things back to the way they were.
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« Reply #359 on: February 02, 2011, 07:56:43 pm »

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Think about it this way: dictator promises to step down to make people stop protesting. People stop protesting, opposition leaders are quietly rounded up over the course of the next several months, and the dictator goes back to business as usual. Without opposing protests and human rights abuses of said protesters, the international community condemns the dictator lightly, if not ignores it altogether, and he goes on his merry way. The president of Yemen who promised not to run again? He promised that several years ago but kept in power anyway.

If this were 1970, and there wasn't documented evidence of his failure to maintain order and his backing away from demonstrators, I would agree with you. But his weakness has been shown internationally, there's no way short of military force that he's going to get things back to the way they were.
You know that, I know that, but he's an 82 year old who thought he could stop the protests by shutting down the internet and reshuffling his cabinet. It isn't a case of us knowing it won't work, but rather a case of him not knowing it won't work.
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