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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 372464 times)

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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #225 on: January 30, 2011, 03:27:49 pm »

My understanding is that Jordan is fairly moderate for a middle eastern nation.  I'd be surprised to see mass protests there like there is in Egypt.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #226 on: January 30, 2011, 03:28:57 pm »

And you think everyone in the north is going to agree just like that?

Maybe, maybe not, but considering that the country has been in a 50 years old civil war, they have a better chance than they used to.
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« Reply #227 on: January 30, 2011, 03:31:22 pm »

It could go either way; it depends on whether the north or south gets the major oil producing region in negotiations. Both sides really want it and so long as they have it will be perfectly happy.
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« Reply #228 on: January 30, 2011, 03:38:34 pm »

I just hope this trend don't catch here on the south of sahara, near where I am. Dictatorship of 30 years here too, though here the people are semi-savage at best and love their dictator.
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« Reply #229 on: January 30, 2011, 04:14:43 pm »

AFAIK Jordan is a pretty nice country to live in, given it's neighbourhood. I doubt it's people feel they need to revolt.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #230 on: January 30, 2011, 04:23:58 pm »

Anyone else get the suspicion that Mubarak has already left (or is in the process of leaving) the country for greener pastures? I mean, if I had the money, and an entire country was out for my blood, that's exactly what I'd do - make it seem like I was still there for as long as possible, and run like hell into hiding. Considering there's travel to other regions available, it doesn't even seem like it would be that difficult, especially with a few well-placed bribes and a decent video production team to make it seem like he was still around.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #231 on: January 30, 2011, 04:26:27 pm »

Where would he go, exactly?  Some Carribean island, I'd guess.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #232 on: January 30, 2011, 04:29:01 pm »

Tunisia and Egypt don't produce a lot of oil.

Oil prices have been up steadily the past couple of months, so to a degree the markets expect oil production to fall.
Or it could be that they anticipate the riots spreading to oil producing countries.

Interesting how some years have a lot of them.

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« Reply #233 on: January 30, 2011, 04:32:25 pm »

Yemen is certainly ripe. Then again, the government is barely hanging on there as it is, it would hardly require a popular revolt. It's so weak they had to ask Saudi Arabia to quell a civil war for them near the northern borders.

I've read a bunch of wikileaks cables on yemen and Saleh seems like a cool old tyrant so it would be sorta sad to see him go. He even tried to pull a Dr Evil joke on an american diplomat, as they were negotiating a buyback deal on man-portable surface to air missiles.



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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #234 on: January 30, 2011, 04:41:22 pm »

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Or it could be that they anticipate the riots spreading to oil producing countries.

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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #235 on: January 30, 2011, 05:05:34 pm »

Where would he go, exactly?  Some Carribean island, I'd guess.
London likely. Same place as the rest of his family is already rumored to be. His son owns property there, with unconfirmed rumors of a sighting of the family.

As for Mubarak, if he doesn't leave within the next 24 hours, he will almost certainly be going down with the dictatorial ship. From what people are describing him as, 'stubborn' comes up as his #1 trait. And with state TV still going off on odd attempts to reassure everyone that things are fine aside from a few looters, I would expect the latter of the two.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #236 on: January 30, 2011, 05:23:24 pm »

Anyone seen Baghdad Bob over there?
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #237 on: January 30, 2011, 05:23:49 pm »

Heh, yeah, he did worse than Mubarak's speech, and that's really saying something.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #238 on: January 30, 2011, 07:09:01 pm »

i suspect theres alot going on behind the curtains, theres quite abit at stake internationally.

If Egypt does go down, its a big Arab nation, it will set a president that the smaller more secular Tunisa cannot. Perhaps Mubarak is staying because he may have more enemies than his own people should he leave, or perhaps not, some states such as Saudi probs wont fall (is anything a sure bet anymore).

The Suez cannal

And acording to Ali J the US have 'close relations' with the Egyptian military. Already been mentioned in this thread abit, perhaps its a factor in the militaries lack of activity.

I certainly wouldnt treat it as a given that the Muslim Brotherhood will come out on or near the top from this. The revolution started out as relativly middle class and educated, demanding democracy. The Brotherhood would have to work hard to convince many Egyptians that they represent this ideal. The other drivers, such as unemployment, lack of international prestige etc, they might do better on, at least in terms of blag.
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Re: Egypt and the world
« Reply #239 on: January 30, 2011, 07:14:39 pm »

you mean a precedent, right?
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