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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 372452 times)

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #4305 on: August 22, 2013, 10:06:58 am »

Or the brotherhood will shoot him and blame it on the military. Who the fuck knows anymore.
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« Reply #4306 on: August 22, 2013, 10:09:43 am »

Better question is: who the fuck cares?
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« Reply #4307 on: August 22, 2013, 10:14:09 am »

Mubarak being let go is symbolic of the old regime returning. Unless of course they make the transition to democracy quickly.
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« Reply #4308 on: August 22, 2013, 10:38:23 am »

Mubarak being let go is symbolic of the old regime returning. Unless of course they make the transition to democracy quickly.
It'd be extra-ironic if they ended up reinstating him
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« Reply #4309 on: August 24, 2013, 04:19:32 am »

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« Reply #4310 on: August 24, 2013, 04:23:49 am »

You dumkopf, you placed the text in url part and url in text part! :P
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« Reply #4312 on: August 24, 2013, 05:08:48 am »

US readies possible missile strike against Syria - report
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« Reply #4313 on: August 24, 2013, 05:22:48 am »

Problem is it's not simply rebels against bad dictator anymore. It's more and more of a Sunni against everything else. If the west step in, we do need a strategy to prevent large-scale revenge massacre and ethnic cleansing once the rebels wins.

There was a paper I found on lawfare that argued that the only way forward would be to create, organize and arm an army from whatever secular militia is still around. That army would not only have the command structure to take the fight to Assad and use the tactical advantage American air support could give, but serve as a secular core to rebuild a state after that. Because yes, we're facing a potential second Iraq afterward in term of nation-building.

Simply put, Syria is not a problem you can solve by firing missiles at it anymore.
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« Reply #4314 on: August 24, 2013, 05:43:25 am »

Problem is it's not simply rebels against bad dictator anymore. It's more and more of a Sunni against everything else. If the west step in, we do need a strategy to prevent large-scale revenge massacre and ethnic cleansing once the rebels wins.

There was a paper I found on lawfare that argued that the only way forward would be to create, organize and arm an army from whatever secular militia is still around. That army would not only have the command structure to take the fight to Assad and use the tactical advantage American air support could give, but serve as a secular core to rebuild a state after that. Because yes, we're facing a potential second Iraq afterward in term of nation-building.

Simply put, Syria is not a problem you can solve by firing missiles at it anymore.

After the jihadists took over, assad is the one that lead and fight for the seculars in syria. you could probably still find seculars opposing assad here and there, but the vast majority of them would rather see syria under his control rather than under the global jihad or al qaeda.
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« Reply #4316 on: August 24, 2013, 06:45:00 am »

After the jihadists took over, assad is the one that lead and fight for the seculars in syria. you could probably still find seculars opposing assad here and there, but the vast majority of them would rather see syria under his control rather than under the global jihad or al qaeda.
Putting Assad back in power might be the simplest solution actually. He's got plenty regional support, and at least some semblance of government structure.
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« Reply #4317 on: August 24, 2013, 07:25:31 am »

But then, it sends a terrible message to dictators everywhere: just be a dick long enough and you'll get to keep your throne with Western support. Plus, he doesn't have much regional support beyond Hezbollah, Iran and Iraq. All those Sunni Jihadists are getting their weapons from somewhere...
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« Reply #4318 on: August 24, 2013, 09:36:08 am »

saudi arabia and qatar with turkey's permission. i'll assume you're fairly well informed on the power struggle between the sauds and iran in the middle east, so let's just say it's logical it turned into a proxy war
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« Reply #4319 on: August 24, 2013, 10:55:54 am »

Yeah, just saying that Assad is far from being universally liked by the regional leaders.
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