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[Zangi]

1. We live in a world where much of the 2nd world now have a camera, recorder and some sort of twitter account.  It is much harder to ignore what is happening in Egypt when 'non-sanctioned' media keeps on coming out of it. 

2. Big Brother has to make a show of supporting democracy because that is their morale high ground for doing half the shit they do.  While also trying to keep their beneficial arrangements intact.  There is no silver bullet that would denounce Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood's standing in the democratic process either.

[misko27]

Big Brother has to make a show of supporting democracy because that is their morale high ground for doing half the shit they do.  While also trying to keep their beneficial arrangements intact.  There is no silver bullet that would denounce Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood's standing in the democratic process either.

The problem is in the current age of Democracies, there is really only "God" and "The People" as legitimate sources of political power (Or, in the case of North Korea, both, somehow).

The military called for support, and got it from the actual populace of Egypt, and now that Islamist prison camps [setup as bases to induce fear and kill people who disagree] have been dispersed the West is sympathetic to Islamists? What the hell topsy turvy world do we even live in anymore?

We live in a world of Greys, never black and white. The best situation was the Muslim brotherhood leaving power peaceably and a popular, secular government taking over democratically. That isn't happening, so people are deciding which section of that sentence to strike out. Some strike out "peaceful" and "democratic", other take out "Muslim Brotherhood leaving power" and "secular".


Anyway, there is talk in the Egyptian Government of banning the Muslim Brotherhood, which guarantees a lack of peaceable outcomes.Source.

[MonkeyHead]

An interesting piece by the BBC regarding how a democracy only works if you are able to accept being led by someone you disagree with, and how this has failed with regards to Egypt.

[10ebbor10]

The military called for support, and got it from the actual populace of Egypt, and now that Islamist prison camps [setup as bases to induce fear and kill people who disagree] have been dispersed the West is sympathetic to Islamists? What the hell topsy turvy world do we even live in anymore?

An underdog always makes a good story.

[Sheb]

More over, just because they did things wrong doesn't mean it's okay to do the same to them.

[Dutchling]

In the Netherlands at least, the news completely ignores any wrongs the Islamists might do and only focus on the military. Seems a little strange to me.

[Sheb]

Well, the Islamists were ousted from power. People were focusing on them when they were in power. Now, the problem is that Islamists represents maybe 20-30% of the population. You can shut them out of the political process.

[Dutchling]

I'm not talking about the political process. I'm talking about the violence.

[10ebbor10]

As far as I heard, the news reports about the evil the islamists do, but not without criticizing the government at every opportunity.

((Ie, Islamists at Coptic Christians, because government didn't intervene, ...))

Edit: EU is considering to suspend all aid to Egypt for the time being.

[MonkeyHead]

More chemical weapon use in Syria. Has the red line been crossed yet?

[10ebbor10]

More chemical weapon use in Syria. Has the red line been crossed yet?

Probably.

However, the budget hasn't. Nobody's going to move if they can't get a profit out of it.

[Owlbread]

There's the usual stuff from the folks with short memories who support Assad - you know, it's a hoax, it was carried out by the rebels etc. The thing is, my understanding is that there's footage of babies and children suffering from the effects of a nerve agent. How can they fake that? Whether or not it was carried out by the rebels (because it happened at a very convenient time) remains to be seen.

[LordSlowpoke]

heh.

so what's going on with libya who knows that and can share

[misko27]

Hosni Mubarak has been ordered released by an Egyptian Court.

[shadenight123]

They'll probably shoot Mubarak down outside of the court. Maybe pinning the blame on someone else to get the heat off the military and on the brotherhood.