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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 377326 times)

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3375 on: November 22, 2012, 02:58:25 pm »

So basically there 'are' Jewish people in other places in the world. 'Other countries' sounds better. So the question is: what's the fuss with Israel? No, better yet.
Why was the thing in Israel done differently than in other parts of the world?
Mind you, I'm not querying on legitimacy or not, I'm querying on why were the 'Russian Jews' brought there as 'russian jews' instead of founding an outright state in russia, and why instead it was done differently with Israel.

Israel was an independent state for Jews that promoted hyper-religious Jewish culture on an unprecedented scale. Even the Jewish Autonomous Oblast couldn't manage that, and its inhabitants were encouraged to be secular. Furthermore, they ressurected the Hebrew language which was originally used like Latin - most speakers of it only used it for religious or other specific purposes. Hebrew was brought back from the dead as a practical language, but to the detriment of Yiddish. The reason for this was that Israel was supposed to be inclusive for all Jews, and not all Jews are Ashkenazi.

The reason for going to Israel and setting up a state was deeply religious - they're setting up a state in their "Old homeland" if you like, coming back after thousands of years - "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yay we wept, when we remembered Zion". Furthermore, it allowed the British and Americans to set up a "little white Ulster" in the middle east, as I think it was referred to by some nefarious gentlemen. You know, a little pro-Western enclave in the holy land.

The reason for not establishing a Jewish state in Russia, rather an autonomous oblast, was that it was the USSR which consisted of united regions and republics and such. They would never have allowed an independent state to crop up on their land like that. Furthermore, it meant Stalin could keep tabs on his Jewish population better by letting them build a home in the far east. Palestine also wasn't a sovereign state at the time that Israel was established, unlike Russia. It formerly belonged to the Ottoman Empire and when the British took it over it became "Mandatory Palestine", a... political entity under temporary British administration. Eventually the British, Zionists and Americans turned it into the state of Israel. Perhaps if the region had still belonged to the Ottomans or similar, it would be far harder to set up an independent state, as was the case in the USSR.
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« Reply #3376 on: November 23, 2012, 03:30:08 am »

Also, the Zionists had been pushing for a Jewish state for years. During WWI, the Brits promised Palestine to the Arabs, the Jews and the French, to keep them all happy and fighting the Triple Alliance.

In Palestine itself, there had been a large-ish Jewish immigration for a while, complete with terrorrists organizations (Because Arabs don't have a monopoly on blowing up civilians) and stuff. After WWII, they created their own state using the West's collective guilt for support.

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« Reply #3377 on: November 23, 2012, 10:44:58 am »

I also heard that quite a number of western leaders believed in second coming of Christ after the Jews would again control the Jerusalem.
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« Reply #3378 on: November 23, 2012, 11:28:49 am »

Or rather, they believe all Jews have to return to Israel for the second coming to happen, and then when Christ returns they have to accept him or be killed. Yay!

Well, at least the fundies do. I'm very doubtful very many leaders fell under that label around that time.
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« Reply #3379 on: November 23, 2012, 11:47:22 am »

Or rather, they believe all Jews have to return to Israel for the second coming to happen, and then when Christ returns they have to accept him or be killed. Yay!

Well, at least the fundies do. I'm very doubtful very many leaders fell under that label around that time.

New policy, involuntary deportation if all Jews to Isreal.  The Second Coming... it must happen.
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« Reply #3380 on: November 23, 2012, 11:48:54 am »

but... that means we would be able to stop the end of the world just by keeping jews out of Jerusalem?
why would we settle them there? I like the world.

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« Reply #3381 on: November 23, 2012, 11:56:45 am »

... what counts as Jewish for the purposes of the second coming, though? 'Cause I'm like, a sixth (which is more than needed to count as native american in the states, iirc) Jewish insofar as genotype goes, and there's no way in hell you're getting me to move to a desert. I imagine there's plenty of people in similar situations. Israel's in kinda' a shitty place insofar as geography goes, really. Too hot.

They can keep the holy litterbox, I'll be somewhere further north, probably in a bog, y'know?
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3382 on: November 23, 2012, 11:56:59 am »

Or rather, they believe all Jews have to return to Israel for the second coming to happen, and then when Christ returns they have to accept him or be killed. Yay!

Well, at least the fundies do. I'm very doubtful very many leaders fell under that label around that time.

New policy, involuntary deportation if all Jews to Isreal.  The Second Coming... it must happen.
There is actually an alternate history dystopia I read where this happened. Margret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale. Radical feminists and the religious right form a powerful political alliance based off of the few issues they agree on (prostitution, pornography), then in the early 90's the religious right assassinate the President and most of Congress, betray their feminist allies, and institute a theocracy called the Republic of Gilead. All US Jews are given the option between conversion to an acceptable denomination of Christianity or deportation to Israel. The ships are ran by a rather mercenary company, however, and many of them just drop their passengers in the Atlantic to return and make more profit on another group.
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« Reply #3384 on: November 23, 2012, 01:14:46 pm »

... what counts as Jewish for the purposes of the second coming, though? 'Cause I'm like, a sixth (which is more than needed to count as native american in the states, iirc) Jewish insofar as genotype goes, and there's no way in hell you're getting me to move to a desert. I imagine there's plenty of people in similar situations. Israel's in kinda' a shitty place insofar as geography goes, really. Too hot.

They can keep the holy litterbox, I'll be somewhere further north, probably in a bog, y'know?

Apparently you're not a Tropical Jew. Just a regular Jew at most.

Back in Egypt, Morsi give himself swweping powers, triggering protests.

He is either the arab version of Park Chung-hee or just another powerhungry nutcase.
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« Reply #3385 on: November 23, 2012, 01:28:34 pm »

... what counts as Jewish for the purposes of the second coming, though? 'Cause I'm like, a sixth (which is more than needed to count as native american in the states, iirc) Jewish insofar as genotype goes, and there's no way in hell you're getting me to move to a desert. I imagine there's plenty of people in similar situations. Israel's in kinda' a shitty place insofar as geography goes, really. Too hot.

They can keep the holy litterbox, I'll be somewhere further north, probably in a bog, y'know?

Apparently you're not a Tropical Jew. Just a regular Jew at most.

Back in Egypt, Morsi give himself swweping powers, triggering protests.

He is either the arab version of Park Chung-hee or just another powerhungry nutcase.

He can't be all that bad if he stopped the war though.
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« Reply #3386 on: November 23, 2012, 02:17:21 pm »

Apparently you're not a Tropical Jew. Just a regular Jew at most.
I wouldn't buy them right now, they're currently out of season.
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« Reply #3387 on: November 23, 2012, 02:38:24 pm »

Apparently you're not a Tropical Jew. Just a regular Jew at most.
I wouldn't buy them right now, they're currently out of season.
Actually, if you buy them late they get nice and squishy, perfect for an autumn salad.

You'll have to do it quick though, they start to rot quick after november, Tropical Jews do.I feel so racist.


... what counts as Jewish for the purposes of the second coming, though? 'Cause I'm like, a sixth (which is more than needed to count as native american in the states, iirc) Jewish insofar as genotype goes, and there's no way in hell you're getting me to move to a desert. I imagine there's plenty of people in similar situations. Israel's in kinda' a shitty place insofar as geography goes, really. Too hot.

They can keep the holy litterbox, I'll be somewhere further north, probably in a bog, y'know?

Apparently you're not a Tropical Jew. Just a regular Jew at most.

Back in Egypt, Morsi give himself swweping powers, triggering protests.

He is either the arab version of Park Chung-hee or just another powerhungry nutcase.

He can't be all that bad if he stopped the war though.
That doesn't mean he's not mostly bad.
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« Reply #3388 on: November 23, 2012, 05:18:17 pm »

On Egypt
How valid is the information that the judicial branch is 'getting in the way of Egypt's process'?
Also, is the judicial branch made up of Mubarak appointed people?
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« Reply #3389 on: November 23, 2012, 08:11:13 pm »

I feel so racist.
Don't worry, you'll get used to it quickly. I hardly notice my racist comments any more!
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