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[Kogan Loloklam]

News coverage where I'm at has been horrible. Even from NPR.

"Hamas needs to...." blah blah blah.

Gaza needs an Iron Dome is what Hamas needs to do.

I recall this all started with a Jeep being hit by a rocket attack on the Gaza strip border, and Isreal acting with their "you piss us off we'll hurt you the severity of what happened, but times four and against people not directly involved but who you know" policy

Did Hamas ever claim responsibility for those 4 dead soldiers? And why were they attacked? Hamas usually gives a reason why they do stuff.

Either way, those soldiers died, Israel retalliated with strikes, Hamas launched rockets, Israel killed a Hamas leader, Hamas launched rockets, Israel launched strikes, Hamas launched rockets...

And throughout, Innocents died. Religion, eh? "Daddy loves me more!"

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Iron Dome has actually not been that great. 737 rockets have been launched from Gaza, but Iron Dome only intercepted 245 of them, and plenty have managed to hit Tel Aviv.

Oh yeah, Hamas has rockets that can hit Tel Aviv now. Jerusalem too, but I don't see them launching unguided rockets at Jerusalem since that carries the risk of accidentally hitting the Dome of the Rock, which would be somewhat demoralizing to say the least.

This is going to get messy if the IDF enters Gaza. Both they and Hamas are mobilized at this point, and if they clash the civilians are going to get crushed.

[Kogan Loloklam]

I heard they did launch at Jerusalem, but Iron Dome stopped it.

Yea, so the Israel airforce has bombed more times than rockets have been launched appearantly.

And if I had to pick where I'd want my family between the two sides, I'd rather the Iron Dome with it's 20% chance of interception than the nothing with it's 0% chance of interception.

[alway]

Actually, from what I've read here, it's got an 85% chance of interception. They just ignore rockets which will land in uninhabited or similar areas. So if it's just going to blow up a few rows of wheat or land in a lake, they don't bother trying to shoot it down (as each interception missile costs money, and distracts from important targets).

[Helgoland]

Yeah, those missiles are costly - but at the moment they're needed.

The only way for lasting peace that I see is Israel taking out Hamas and cracking down on weapons smuggling while at the same time launching a massive humanitarian relief effort. A "Hearts-and-minds" kind of deal, but without the burning Vietnamese children.

[Owlbread]

Yeah, those missiles are costly - but at the moment they're needed.

The only way for lasting peace that I see is Israel taking out Hamas and cracking down on weapons smuggling while at the same time launching a massive humanitarian relief effort. A "Hearts-and-minds" kind of deal, but without the burning Vietnamese children.

But, remember, we're dealing with Israel here. I sincerely doubt that's going to happen.

[ChairmanPoo]

Considering their unwillingness to treat Palestinians in anything resembling an egalitarian fashion, I doubt that's happening anytime soon.

[Jopax]

I think that the problem with the Iron Dome is that they don't have many batteries of them (I think I've read they only have 2 operational) so they aren't really capable of stopping everything. And as already mentioned they don't bother with rockets that aren't going for populated areas.

[Sheb]

Plus, how do you want to crack down even more on weapon smuggling? Gaza is totally blockaded, they can't even import construction materials to rebuild what the Israeli destroy. Everything transit by tunnels under the Egyptian borders.

[Sonlirain]

You'd think that they would give up everything and get out of that hell through those tunnels right?
Nope stay in the crossfire between the partisans smuggling decomisioned russian rockets and hi-tech faux WW2 germany.

And the worst thing ot it all is the fact there is pretty much nothing you can do regarding peace talks because Israel will shoot them all down anyway... and shooting seems the only way to deal with muslims when your countrly in a situation like Israel (surrounded by muslim countries that hate your balls and everything else connected to them).

The Gaza Strip is probably the saddest place on earth overtaken maybe only by some failed african countries where hordes of rebels (fighting against other rebels and whatever goverment might rise in the meantime) terrorizing raping and killing everyone they come across.

[Helgoland]

Yeah, doesn't look like it'll improve anytime soon.

Why don't the western states do a humanitarian (as in "sufficient to make an actual difference with regards to life standard) mission in Gaza? I doubt Israel would try to stop a combined pro-Israeli US/EU convoi...

[Sonlirain]

Yeah, doesn't look like it'll improve anytime soon.

Why don't the western states do a humanitarian (as in "sufficient to make an actual difference with regards to life standard) mission in Gaza? I doubt Israel would try to stop a combined pro-Israeli US/EU convoi...

Haha good one.

The western world just does NOT care in the slightest.
Same as they don't care about north korea and africa.

Besides anything EU could do would be blown away by precision airstrikes because those pigdisgusting muslims would dare to use them and hide inside in a very threatening manner!
And no explaining that new building was a hospital is not enough.

[Nadaka]

Israel gets away with this shit because the existence of a Jewish state around Jerusalem is a prerequisite for the apocalypse among christian biblical literalists in the US. There is no other reason there extremely public genocidal actions are excused.

[Sheb]

Well, the EU do give plenty of aid to Palestinians. Israel then blew it.

[scriver]

Yeah, doesn't look like it'll improve anytime soon.

Why don't the western states do a humanitarian (as in "sufficient to make an actual difference with regards to life standard) mission in Gaza? I doubt Israel would try to stop a combined pro-Israeli US/EU convoi...

Remember Ship to Gaza?