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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 377655 times)

RedKing

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3195 on: October 04, 2012, 08:42:48 am »

True, but it's arguable that there isn't the political will in Turkey to prosecute an offensive war, especially unilaterally.

A joint NATO operation, on the other hand...it's Game Over. (Although after Libya, there may not be much political will in NATO members either)
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3196 on: October 04, 2012, 08:44:28 am »

I'm more worried about into what will Syria turn into after Assad is finished.

Hopefully not another theocracy of islam.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3197 on: October 04, 2012, 08:49:36 am »

Well, it certainly won't be a Shi'ite state. Which means Iran is going to lose one of its few allies in the region. And Hezbollah is quite possibly fucked without a sponsor, which could lead to all sorts of !!FUN!! in Lebanon and potentially spill over into Israel if Hezbollah feels they need to construct a scenario that proves their value to Lebanon.

Interesting times.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3198 on: October 04, 2012, 09:16:59 am »

Does Turkey actually need to send in ground troops? Wouldn't the rebels win if they had some close air support?
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3199 on: October 04, 2012, 09:22:06 am »

The rebels will surely win if they get sufficient air support. The question is how many unbombed buildings will be left in Syria when dust settles.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3200 on: October 04, 2012, 09:28:06 am »

Does Turkey actually need to send in ground troops? Wouldn't the rebels win if they had some close air support?
Ground troops are cheaper and less risky, from a macro standpoint. Losing a company of infantry is peanuts next to losing an aircraft in terms of dollar-cost. Although the Turkish Air Force is pretty damn big for a regional power (3rd largest in NATO, behind US and UK). The F-4s would likely have to provide the CAS. They don't really have good dedicated CAS platforms like the A-10 or attack helicopters. F-16s can be fitted for ground attack, but they work better as air superiority fighters.

And there's the question of civilians. Can't exactly zoom and bomb the living fuck out of Damascus.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3201 on: October 04, 2012, 10:06:51 am »

Losing a company of infantry is more expensive than losing a plane from the popular support point of view, though.

Anyway, I'm kinda surprised that Turkey doesn't have attack helicopters. Still, they could at least cut the supply lines and destroy all the armour, right?
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3202 on: October 04, 2012, 10:08:35 am »

I imagine Turkey could requisition some attack helicopters from NATO if it became necessary.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3205 on: October 09, 2012, 01:56:00 pm »

fuck. that's heartless

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3206 on: October 09, 2012, 03:11:13 pm »

fuck. that's heartless
What do you expect from the Taliban?
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3207 on: October 09, 2012, 03:22:54 pm »

fuck. that's heartless
What do you expect from the Taliban?
them expecting that they can go back to a golden age before the west got involved.

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Most 'golden ages' were crappy for most of the people. Most people just tend to forget thet they would likely not have been a lord or king, but a peasant or laborer.

Seriously: I doubt there's even one 'golden age' you'd rather live in than stay in this time. Anyone got an example to prove me wrong?
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3208 on: October 09, 2012, 03:28:33 pm »

2005. i wish i was living back in 2005

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #3209 on: October 09, 2012, 03:29:47 pm »

...Well, I am a noble, after all... ;)
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