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[PTTG??]

There is a meme that is not necissarilly Islamic, not necissarilly Arabic, which is that death is an appropriate penalty for ideological differences.

This particular concept has been part of some western cultures on and off for centuries, but we finally emerged from it and found ourselves more peaceful and more prosperous. Until a similar transformation occurs in the mideast, there will not be peace.

[Leafsnail]

http://www.businessinsider.com/benghazi-protests-against-attacks-photos-2012-9



e: It's also starting to look like it was a planned terrorist attack using the protest as a smokescreen

[Zrk2]

The irony in their spelling of "profit" is just too sweet.

[Leafsnail]

The irony that they're doing their best to write in a language they aren't necessarily fluent in?

[Helgoland]

2. Slobodan Milošević and the rest. The Nazi leaders at the Nuremberg Trials. Saddam Hussein. There's also the likes of Pinochet, the many people were supposed to be put on trial but kept away and died in exile.

All people on the losing side.

The real trouble with prosecution of such people is that there is no supernational executive power (the UN practically has none). The nations are basically living in a Hobbesian state of anarchy - or rather the Hobbesian state of anarchy as interpreted by Kant . To ensure that justice is fulfilled even when it is not opportunistic for the powers that be to do so we need a world government. That would also be a solution to a whole lot of other stuff: Free trade or the lack thereof, differences in education and level of social security, the achievement of world peace (Eternal Peace, Kant called that kind of peace; you gotta love Kant ) etc.

(I am a moral relativist and think that objective morality is disgusting and that the categorical imperative can go suck it).

Kant acknowledged the fact that there is no absolute outer moral; in that sense he (as well as most other modern philosophhers, btw) is at his core a moral relativist.
It's a mistake that most people make, and an easy one to make too: The categorical imperative is not some sort of objective morality that everyone has to adhere to; it is the definition of what can be considered moral. Think about it: Any moral principle you can truly call moral complies with the categoric imperative. Or done the other way around: If a principle does not comply with the categorical imperative, it cannot be a moral principle. Whether you adhere to it anyway or not is completely up to you, of course

[Helgoland]

Double post, sorry 'bout that

[kaijyuu]

(I am a moral relativist and think that objective morality is disgusting and that the categorical imperative can go suck it).

Kant acknowledged the fact that ther is no absolute outer moral; in that sense he (as well as most other modern philosophhers, btw) is at his core a moral relativist.
It's a mistake that most people make, and an easy one to make too: The categorical imperative is not some sort of objective morality that everyone has to adhere to; it is the definition of what can be considered moral. Think about it: Any moral principle you can truly call moral complies with the categoric imperative. Or done the other way around: If a principle does not comply with the categorical imperative, it cannot be a moral principle. Whether you adhere to it anyway or not is completely up to you, of course

That's a bit of a twisting from what I remember in philosophy class, but sure, if you're saying it means that there exist such things as moral axioms and that I must judge people by their adhering to mine, then I have no opposition to that.

[Helgoland]

That's basically it, yeah. If you want something for moral reasons, you must want it under all circumstances. And that's of course the nly positionn from which you can judge people

That's a bit of a twisting from what I remember in philosophy class, [..].

Yeah, philosophy generally  is a very twisty field

[MetalSlimeHunt]

e: It's also starting to look like it was a planned terrorist attack using the protest as a smokescreen

I'm definitely starting to see that as well. For example, as RedKing mentioned earlier, the US Embassy to Libya is in Tripoli, not Benghazi. Benghazi just has a tiny consulate. And yet Stevens just so happened to be there at the time of this sudden supposedly unplanned riot.

The odds of that seem low. Suspiciously low. 

[SalmonGod]

Have a whole album of photos from the demonstrations denouncing the attacks.

[palsch]

There is also this. The guy who made this seems to be a ghost, the $5 million budget is laughable (seriously, watch some of the video and tell me you could spend $5 million and still end up with such a pile of crap), the lines referencing religion seem to have been added in post, etc, etc, etc.

And now I find this Gawker article that takes it further.

The actress confirms she didn't have a clue what the film was about and now the whole cast and crew have made the same claim. The filmaker claimed to be Egyptian at the time (at least some early sourced said that he was a Coptic Egyptian, although this was later separated into a different Coptic businessman who only did the translation). This individual certainly claims he wasn't an Israeli.

[Zrk2]

The irony that they're doing their best to write in a language they aren't necessarily fluent in?

I was thinking more along the lines of "No... We LOVE profit! Yay capitalism! Come America we can make money together!" Like they were hamfistedly sucking up to "imperialist" USA.

[freeformschooler]

And now there's marines.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There is also this. The guy who made this seems to be a ghost, the $5 million budget is laughable (seriously, watch some of the video and tell me you could spend $5 million and still end up with such a pile of crap), the lines referencing religion seem to have been added in post, etc, etc, etc.

And now I find this Gawker article that takes it further.

The actress confirms she didn't have a clue what the film was about and now the whole cast and crew have made the same claim. The filmaker claimed to be Egyptian at the time (at least some early sourced said that he was a Coptic Egyptian, although this was later separated into a different Coptic businessman who only did the translation). This individual certainly claims he wasn't an Israeli.

Has anyone seen any evidence of an existing copy of this film in full yet? I'm starting to doubt its very existence.

[MaximumZero]

...Is Libya headed toward a Theocratic vs Progressionist schism?