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Author Topic: Egypt and the world and Libya - Now without Ukraine!  (Read 365026 times)

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2235 on: June 18, 2011, 11:30:53 am »

Libya is a nation in an all out civil war instead of a series of increasingly violent protests, is less involved with the Middle East vs. Israel conflict, and has a more openly insane leader. Plus, 80% the US approves of helping them, according to Gallup.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2236 on: June 18, 2011, 11:57:28 am »

Libya is a nation in an all out civil war instead of a series of increasingly violent protests, is less involved with the Middle East vs. Israel conflict, and has a more openly insane leader. Plus, 80% the US approves of helping them, according to Gallup.
You're sure? I had the impression that the public support in the US was weak.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2237 on: June 18, 2011, 12:01:13 pm »

Libya is a nation in an all out civil war instead of a series of increasingly violent protests, is less involved with the Middle East vs. Israel conflict, and has a more openly insane leader. Plus, 80% the US approves of helping them, according to Gallup.
You're sure? I had the impression that the public support in the US was weak.
I may be misremembering which figure was 80% approval, but I'm a bit busy at the moment and can't check Gallup for the results right now.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2238 on: June 18, 2011, 12:35:28 pm »

Libya is a nation in an all out civil war instead of a series of increasingly violent protests, is less involved with the Middle East vs. Israel conflict, and has a more openly insane leader. Plus, 80% the US approves of helping them, according to Gallup.

Rasmussen says the exact opposite:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2011/just_26_favor_continued_military_action_in_libya
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2239 on: June 19, 2011, 12:12:40 pm »

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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2240 on: July 24, 2011, 01:33:31 am »

As NATO cannot achieve any objectives in Libyan war, they start to target vital civil infrastructure, putting millions under the risk of death from thirst.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/23-07-2011/118577-nato_war_crimes-0/
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/blasts-rock-libyan-capital-in-area-of-gadhafi-compound-121512
Protecting civils and no-fly zone, eh?
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« Reply #2241 on: July 26, 2011, 06:00:12 am »

Stop spreading Gadaffi propaganda. I bet you believe there's no fighting in Brega as well.
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« Reply #2242 on: July 26, 2011, 07:09:46 am »

I see no reason for NATO to do that, as politically it's a massive scandal waiting to happen. Surely we would have heard more if NATO were targeting civilians (I think this would count as targeting civilians). A big point of their intervention was to minimize civilian casualties.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2243 on: July 26, 2011, 09:17:08 am »

Appearently, the democratic and feminist elements of the egyptian revolution are pissed off that the military council has cozied up with the muslim brotherhood and neither of them actually wants to let the people vote or bring the people who butchered them to justice.

And you know what? I'm not even capable of being outraged about it because my own country is spiralling into the abyss right now.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2244 on: August 18, 2011, 06:42:31 pm »

Thought I'd pull this thread up, on news that Qaddafi is supposedly preparing to exile himself to Tunisia and resign from power, provided that A) NATO ends whatever mission it has in Libya and B) control of the country devolves to his Justice Minister (one of the last high-level appointees Qaddafi has left).  The rebels deny they participated in negotiated any such agreement, to the extent that anything was negotiated.  It certainly lacks the finality of the outcome they wanted and does nothing about guaranteeing any change in government policy, much less even say anything about ending the civil war.  Not to mention, y'know, Qaddafi would still be right next door, which doesn't do anyone any favors.

I guess the only point here being a distinct sign of Qaddafi's surprisingly well entrenched power in his country may on the verge of dislodging.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2245 on: August 18, 2011, 06:57:49 pm »

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Other sources said Gaddafi is sick and requires urgent medical treatment outside Libya.
I definitely could believe this. He looks like he's very sick indeed.

Still, not much else of that makes sense. Why would Tunisia accept a dictator in exile when they just ousted their own? I'd figure they'd be more likely to kill Gaddafi than shelter him.
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« Reply #2246 on: August 18, 2011, 10:48:13 pm »

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Other sources said Gaddafi is sick and requires urgent medical treatment outside Libya.
I definitely could believe this. He looks like he's very sick indeed.

Still, not much else of that makes sense. Why would Tunisia accept a dictator in exile when they just ousted their own? I'd figure they'd be more likely to kill Gaddafi than shelter him.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2247 on: August 18, 2011, 11:00:30 pm »

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Other sources said Gaddafi is sick and requires urgent medical treatment outside Libya.
I definitely could believe this. He looks like he's very sick indeed.

Still, not much else of that makes sense. Why would Tunisia accept a dictator in exile when they just ousted their own? I'd figure they'd be more likely to kill Gaddafi than shelter him.

I'd expect anti revolutionaries to do something like this. People of the old nomenclature are still in power.
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Re: Egypt and the world and Libya
« Reply #2248 on: August 20, 2011, 06:11:27 pm »

News are abuzz about an uprising in parts of Tripoli tonight, as the city is more or less surrounded on all sides by rebels. Two major districts said to have chased out the security forces although that hold is probably tenuous at best.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/20/501364/main20095027.shtml
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« Reply #2249 on: August 20, 2011, 11:06:08 pm »

Last I heard, Ghaddafi has fled the city, the rebels have hold of one of the districts in the city.

As always the truth is muddled, but it seems like the rebels have been making pretty steady progress lately.

Tripoli has also finally recognized the rebel government as the official one. (I imagine that a sign that they don't think they have to worry about Ghaddafi winning it at this point)
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