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[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

 BTW, i disagree also that a One-Shot inspect would be a poor fakeclaim. Gives you carte blanche for not doing an inspect tommorow, keep expectations low, etc.

[webadict]

Wuba: As far as the order of operations go, does a cult conversion happen before or after an inspect?

It depends a lot on the role, but typically an inspection would happen before a conversion.

[Org]

Pandar was most likely culted Day 1 due to his skill at the game.

[NativeForeigner]

BTW, i disagree also that a One-Shot inspect would be a poor fakeclaim. Gives you carte blanche for not doing an inspect tommorow, keep expectations low, etc.

I guess that's true, but it's what I got. I also have a one-shot protect and a one-shot block.

As for the inspect itself, it's entirely possible that Zrk2 got converted after I inspected him, so that actually doesn't make him confirmed for anyone. Neither should it make me confirmed by Zrk2. However, given the way Org is approaching this, I feel he may have been converted after Pandar's death to generate a hefty amount of wine.

[Org]

That makes zero sense bub! But lets lynch Zrk first!

[NativeForeigner]

Does it make zero sense because YOU'RE the cult leader? Go ahead and lynch Zrk2, I'm sure if people want him lynched, they can do it without my vote.

[Jack A T]

Okay.  Let's look at this carefully.

What, didnt use your inspect powers night one?
Okay, yeah, bullshit claim man. You lose. Lets lynch these cultscum guys.

...One-shot inspect.  Those are to be kept until thought to be most useful, especially with one as risky as this one apparently is.

Okay, no. Now I know you are trying to cover being a cult leader or Native is. If he was cult leader, all other cult would dieeeee.

Depends on the cult.  Some will all die when leader dies, and some will just become unable to recruit.  All I know is that Pandar, having not shown any cult-recruiting abilities, is almost definitely not cult leader.

As of last night NF was town, my ability proved it. And, were I scum there is no way I would give you a guaranteed townie.

...Isn't Org claiming that both you and NF are cult?  Thus making this proof of nothing?  And painfully blatant WIFOM?

Does it make zero sense because YOU'RE the cult leader? Go ahead and lynch Zrk2, I'm sure if people want him lynched, they can do it without my vote.

...It is, as far as I can tell, extremely unlikely that Org is the cult leader.  Pandar tried to use his hammer ability on Org.  If Org was the cult leader, that would've been a really, really, really stupid move for the cult: no more converting, less pro-cult powers, and loss of a voter.  Oh, and I know why Pandar's ability failed: I sang a little song.

Ergo, NativeForeigner.  You're trying way too hard to pin the blame on Org.

Org: Who, outside of NF and Zrk2, do you suspect of being scum or cult?

[Org]

No! Zrk recruited Pandar D1, then NF D2.
Zrk is the leader, I am sure of it.

[Jack A T]

You have a point.

Zrk hasn't been trustworthy-looking for most of the game.  Native's only really gone bad just now.

Unvote, vote Zrk2.

[NativeForeigner]

Does it make zero sense because YOU'RE the cult leader? Go ahead and lynch Zrk2, I'm sure if people want him lynched, they can do it without my vote.

...It is, as far as I can tell, extremely unlikely that Org is the cult leader.  Pandar tried to use his hammer ability on Org.  If Org was the cult leader, that would've been a really, really, really stupid move for the cult: no more converting, less pro-cult powers, and loss of a voter.  Oh, and I know why Pandar's ability failed: I sang a little song.

Ergo, NativeForeigner.  You're trying way too hard to pin the blame on Org.

Wait, wait, you're right. I totally overlooked the fact that Pandar was turned D1, so Org probably isn't the cult leader. :/ Thanks for bringing that up, though.

[NativeForeigner]

No! Zrk recruited Pandar D1, then NF D2.
Zrk is the leader, I am sure of it.

I don't think he's the leader (assuming he has any affiliation with cult). He would have showed up as Cult, not town.

[Ottofar]

Posting when home.
I think Zrk and NF are cult.

[NativeForeigner]

Posting when home.
I think Zrk and NF are cult.

Of course you do. 

[Jokerman-EXE]

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Org can't be cult for reasons previously stated, and as soon as he started arguing Zrk2 started dropping WIFOM and Native wasn't far behind in joining him. There's also the fact that your stories are full of holes: why would Pandar try to kill Org if town? Why would we believe a claim from either one of you regarding the other?

Questions that have already been put forth, but not explicitly answered. I'm rehashing them now for everyone to see. Please answer.

[NativeForeigner]

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Org can't be cult for reasons previously stated, and as soon as he started arguing Zrk2 started dropping WIFOM and Native wasn't far behind in joining him. There's also the fact that your stories are full of holes: why would Pandar try to kill Org if town? Why would we believe a claim from either one of you regarding the other?

Questions that have already been put forth, but not explicitly answered. I'm rehashing them now for everyone to see. Please answer.

I actually didn't intend for any of my wine. :/

I'm not really sure what you're asking. Pandar could have been trying to kill Org because he's Org, I'm not sure. Maybe you could try rephrasing.

As for why you should believe the claim, there's really no reason you should or shouldn't. One-shot inspects seem like they're rather hard to prove and I didn't intend to have a lot of weight resting on my results because of such.