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Author Topic: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread  (Read 38199 times)

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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #120 on: February 16, 2011, 01:50:16 pm »

If you want a hint:
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #121 on: February 16, 2011, 01:56:40 pm »

Isn't that what I suggested?
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #122 on: February 16, 2011, 01:57:35 pm »

He made a rule that says it won't count.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #123 on: February 16, 2011, 02:00:33 pm »

The original question may have been worded badly. Assume that rather than saying their colour the warden holds a hat of each colour and they point to the colour they believe they have and the warden calls it out.

The point is the only information they can transmit to the next person is whether they chose red or blue.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #124 on: February 16, 2011, 02:07:06 pm »

They choose the hat colour of the next person?
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #125 on: February 16, 2011, 02:08:32 pm »

Well no, 'cause then their hat might be different and then they die.

Unless you suggest what leafsnail said.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #126 on: February 16, 2011, 02:33:57 pm »

I'm grasping at several things that feel close.  I have a strong feeling it's to do with the number of hats the first prisoner can see ("Can you see more reds or more blues?" works if prisoner 2 can see an equal number of each colour of hat).
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #127 on: February 16, 2011, 02:45:53 pm »

You can't assume that there's an equal amount of blue hats as there is red hats, though. You're describing a scenario that you can't really count on.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #128 on: February 16, 2011, 03:00:28 pm »

...No, wait.

All prisoner 1 needs to say is whether he sees an odd or even number of red (or blue) hats.  Let's say he says "Red" for odd and "Blue" for even.

Prisoner 1's hat is irrelevant to everyone else, so we'll discount it.  Out of the remaining nineteen, EVERY prisoner will know all the hats in front of and behind him.  From them, and the information that the total number of red hats is odd or even, he can work out what colour his own hat is.

A more graceful question for prisoner 1 to answer which would have the same effect is "Which colour can you see an even number of?"
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #129 on: February 16, 2011, 03:03:06 pm »

Oh, right, I see what you mean. Yeah, that should work.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #130 on: February 16, 2011, 03:15:27 pm »

And leafsnail gets it!
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #131 on: February 16, 2011, 03:25:27 pm »

That's a pretty good one, actually.

Although in real life, that'd only be the start of the story.  As prisoners, you're likely not to be hugely numerate or gifted with amazing memories.  As for who exactly gets the role of being Prisoner 1...
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #132 on: February 16, 2011, 03:27:56 pm »

The warden chooses him arbitrarily of course. Poor nr1.

'cept for the fact that he's a convict, but whatev'.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2011, 03:29:15 pm »

Ah, even worse.  Now you have a guy who possibly can't count in the crucial role...

Although if the prisoners got to choose, everyone would suddenly and mysteriously forget how to count.
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Re: The questions, riddles and puzzles thread
« Reply #134 on: February 16, 2011, 03:32:34 pm »

It really depends on whether they are social or not. Whoever gets picked has to make a sacrifice if unlucky.

Of course, even if they weren't social, they'd still lynch arseholes, so there's motivation for ya.
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