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DKS

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Concerning Amphibian Men
« on: January 17, 2011, 01:17:57 am »
My current fort has a local amphibian man population. I don't want to slaughter them nor tame them (for now). Unfortunately they're hostile. :-\

I was hoping I could just catch them with a few well placed cage traps, strip them of weapons, and releasing them into a sectioned off area. I've hit an unexpected snag though - My cage traps don't seem to work on them. I can't seem to figure it out. They shouldn't have [TRAPAVOID] and I even checked my raws just to make sure that in my set they lack that talent - and they did. Regardless of that, when I lured one of their kind down a hall of cage traps (ones I'd made use of on other members of the underground) he walked right by. Not only that but he walked BACK past all of the traps. I could just see the smug look one his face.>:(

Anyone know a reason why they could walk past my traps untouched? Any alternate solutions to take care of them?
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UristMcDwarf

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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 01:27:38 am »
Slaughter those little smug n00bs
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MijRai

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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2011, 01:44:41 am »
 suggest letting them breed on their own, then kill the adults. All new children are born friendly, last I saw. At least, tha is true in my current fort with Cave Swallow Men. The 8 or so original adults all have spears and blowguns with Hostile next to them, but the kids (some of which have grown up) are friendly.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 01:45:19 am »
i have no idea why cage traps aren't working.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 01:53:42 am »
are the cave traps loaded?
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DKS

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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 01:57:07 am »
Quote from: MijRai on January 17, 2011, 01:44:41 am
suggest letting them breed on their own, then kill the adults. All new children are born friendly, last I saw. At least, tha is true in my current fort with Cave Swallow Men. The 8 or so original adults all have spears and blowguns with Hostile next to them, but the kids (some of which have grown up) are friendly.
Sounds like a good idea. Too bad runesmith only doesn't work with the current version or I'd just change the current generation to friendly.

Quote from: slothen on January 17, 2011, 01:45:19 am
i have no idea why cage traps aren't working.
Neither did I. I figured someone here would know if there was a bug/feature/whatever causing it. If not I'll add it to the bugtracker.

Quote from: ext0l on January 17, 2011, 01:53:42 am
are the cave traps loaded?


Yep
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 04:15:52 am »
Just out of curiousity - why not slaughter them? I would only refrain from doing so if I had an elf-themed fortress.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 04:42:00 am »
Artz, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 05:15:08 am »
Does it really matter if your military kills them in the caverns instead of the arena?
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Kyphie

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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 05:48:09 am »
I'm actually fond of all the ___men variates. Does anyone know offhand what I should tweak to make them more prevalent?
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 05:50:43 am »
Quote from: Kyphie on January 17, 2011, 05:48:09 am
I'm actually fond of all the ___men variates.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 08:26:42 am »
Quote from: Kyphie on January 17, 2011, 05:48:09 am
I'm actually fond of all the ___men variates. Does anyone know offhand what I should tweak to make them more prevalent?

The entity file for these guys has these tags:
   [MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:100] all irrelevant right now
   [MAX_POP_NUMBER:10000]
   [MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:120]

which, as per the comment, don't appear to do anything.

Your best bet is to alter

   [POPULATION_NUMBER:30:50]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:5:10]

In the creature entries of all of the _men. I got these particular tags from olm men. For reference, population_number changes how many pass through your map per year (which I suspect does not apply to civilized _men), and cluster number tells the game how many creatures there are per "unit". For example, a creature with the default value of 1 would only spawn alone, but a creature with the cluster_number tag above would spawn in groups of 5-10.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 08:50:28 am »
Maybe the cage traps don't catch them because they are locals? I know it works that way with mega and semi megabeasts. If they lived on the site before you got there then you can't catch them with regular traps.
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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 10:22:42 am »
Maybe they just aren't walking over the traps?

That would logically keep them from being caught.
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DKS

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Re: Concerning Amphibian Men
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 01:08:48 pm »
Quote from: Artzbacher on January 17, 2011, 04:15:52 am
Just out of curiousity - why not slaughter them? I would only refrain from doing so if I had an elf-themed fortress.

Cause it's kind of cool to have them around. They're sorta like a novelty.

Quote from: Fwoosh on January 17, 2011, 08:50:28 am
Maybe the cage traps don't catch them because they are locals? I know it works that way with mega and semi megabeasts. If they lived on the site before you got there then you can't catch them with regular traps.

Well they were in the caverns when I got here.

Quote from: NSQuote on January 17, 2011, 10:22:42 am
Maybe they just aren't walking over the traps?

That would logically keep them from being caught.

I saw one walk through a 1 tile wide hall filled with cage traps (and back). They're walking over the traps.
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