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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2011, 06:15:27 pm »

But.... But....

So, is Aslon == Lionjesus, why doesn't he love the Tash worshippers? Whatever happened to "Lionjesus loves you!"?
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2011, 06:16:11 pm »

You make an exception for the whatever-Tash-wasAntichrist.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2011, 06:17:50 pm »

Well cant he just remove thoughts about the anti christ?
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2011, 06:26:48 pm »

Aslan isn't really a tame lion.

He's more the fulfillment of a "why should our religion have to be nice" sort of thing.  If there's evil, he mauls it.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2011, 07:01:13 pm »

Everyone has read Narnia, but no one has read Til We Have Faces. This fact, in general, makes me sad.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2011, 07:38:26 pm »

Everyone has read Narnia, but no one has read Til We Have Faces. This fact, in general, makes me sad.
I've never even heard of it.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2011, 07:42:42 pm »

I'm glad I read this when I wasn't old enough to be religiously influenced or recognize when there's a bleeding allegory right under my nose.

I would have ranted for months.

I think it actually adds to the reading, having no clue what point he's trying to make. The Silver Chair ect... I remember them being surreal, even to a kid that read a ton of fantasy.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 10:29:15 pm »

Everyone has read Narnia, but no one has read Til We Have Faces. This fact, in general, makes me sad.
I've never even heard of it.
Well, now you have!

"Till We Have Faces: A Myth Retold is a 1956 parallel novel by C. S. Lewis. It is a retelling of the Greek myth of Cupid and Psyche, which had haunted Lewis all his life, and which is itself based on a chapter of The Golden Ass of Apuleius. The first part of the book is written from the perspective of Psyche's older sister Orual, and is constructed as a long-withheld accusation against the gods. Although the book is set in the fictional kingdom of Glome, Greece is often invoked to give the story a setting in time, as well as to allow for an interplay between the Hellenistic, rationalistic world-view and the powerful, 'irrational', and 'primitive' one." - Wikipedia

In my opinion, it's his best work. He manages to completely subvert the ugly older step-sister trope by making her the protagonist. It's also written from deep first-person limited perspective, and best read that way too.
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Iron mixed with oxygen as per the laws of chemistry and chance /
A shape was roughly human, it was only roughly human /
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 10:31:22 pm »

I want to read it, but I have never heard the original story.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 10:37:13 pm »

I want to read it, but I have never heard the original story.
... Well, now you have!

You can actually read the entire translation of the story here. It's not like the original writer can sue you for it, or anything. Though given where copyright law is going these days...
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2011, 12:10:32 am »

I've only seen the movies, and I couldn't believe how hard they were trying to beat me to death with their allegory clubs. What was worse was listening to a ten minute speech from a talking lion about how he is your Jesus.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2011, 12:19:24 am »

 To be fair he was only freshly converted into religion around that time, so it's interesting to look at the books as C.S. Lewis working out what this new faith meant to him. He was digesting it and making sense of it through these stories. One can sort of forgive many of the heavy-handed bits for this reason, as it does give an interesting insight into a person halfway into it. It also helps that he realized his faith through fictional stories with no fear of blasphemy in turning the scriptures into fairy tales. That's kinda cool.

 I know the video review guy on the Escapist had a video review of one of the movies where he said this in a bit more eloquent of a way.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2011, 12:54:01 am »

It kind of says a lot about me that I found the dragon thing (stereotypical dragon, representation of Satan or temptation or whatever, etc.) more annoying than the religious allegories :P

Even speaking as a non-Christian myself, most of the allegories really aren't that annoying unless you're a raging anti-religion guy or something. Some of them can be bad though. (Bad as in annoying, repetitive, preachy, etc.) Especially that one Islam/Tash thing.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2011, 01:13:28 am »

It really sounds like the last book is messed up. I stopped after the whole "you know me by another name" thing. It was pretty direct, and I really prefer my fantasy to be separated from reality, or attempts to connect the two together. I can bear the whole "escape to a fantasy world" plot because it's doing what I'm doing, escaping. The person from whatever he is running away from, and me from my suspension of disbelief, so things like that really hammer the point in.
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Re: Narnia: Don't think of it as an allegory...
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2011, 04:15:09 am »

The whole "you know me by another name" thing does not mean that he is a representation of jesus. It could mean that he is a representation of karma, or their conscience, or a myriad of other concepts, plently of which have nothing to do with christianity.
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