By the time the day rolled around I had completely forgotten what it was that I voted you for except that I had. So I had to refresh myself with the arguments I made.
Right, so you voted me without even remembering why. Not scummy at all.
Anyways, you are scum because of the crap you tried to pin JTF for yesterday. Everything I brought up in this post. Your responses told me that you were being unnecessarily unforgiving of JTF just to see him lynched.
As a reminder, that post complains about me calling him scum, pointing out a deflection and an intimidation attempt. I responded to all three, Janus admitted the deflection ("a bit self-serving"), and I won't push the intimidation aspect, but I do think his reply to Jack ("You're jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon without giving your reasoning. That *is* scummy around here.")
is a scummy reply; intimidation or not, it is manipulative, attempting to get rid of one voter for dubious and self-serving reasons.
It is scummy not just because it's defensive, but because it was based on a lie (reasons
were provided). Your answer to that? "
Accusations of lying are usually overblown." Really? So, lying isn't scummy? Wasn't it a lie? Shouldn't we consider lies as part of one's scumhunting process?
Not content with that, you proceed to entirely dismiss Janus's self-defensiveness as irrelevant. Isn't being overly concerned with survival a scumtell? Not just "I don't want to be lynched for stupid crap," but also "if you lynch me you'll regret it," "your vote on me is scummy," and "hey! look over there! there's lurkers!"
You also said earlier:
This is being unforgivably hard on JTF for no good reason except to get JTF lynched when he shouldn't be.
How many scumtells must he have before I'm no longer being unforgivably hard on him? And he shouldn't be lynched if he's town, sure, do you
know him to be town? If not, and if he's scummy, why shouldn't he hang?
Why are you
so determined to see him survive? What do you know that we don't?
Stuff like this:
a) Janus doesn't look scummy in general. He seems to be doing stuff.[...]
Interesting how you put it. I'd agree with a), but a good scum would do that too to seem town;[...]
Particularly your a). If you're willing to see good town play as scummy cover then you are either tunneling like a Chunnel drill team or you're scum trying to lynch JTF for anything you can grasp at.
I don't see good town play as scummy. I see it as a null tell in an experienced, active player. A good scum plays like a good town. Sure, some scum just lurk, or play differently, but specifically
Janus plays scum like this: a good active town day game, pretending to scumhunt (incidentally, so do
you), so it's a null-tell; neither absolves him nor condemns him; his potential scumminess depends on other factors, like those I point above.
Contrast his play with that of
Bastard Paranormal, where he was lead in votes
two hours before day end, and never indulged in "I don't want to be lynched" or uttered a "if you lynch me you'll regret it", and he was a
town heroic guardian! No, this amount of self-defence from him is a definite scumtell, I say. Or check out his scum play at
VM3; he never had a need to be defensive, but he certainly played an active town-like day game, with plenty of scumhunting and not avoiding the spotlight at all. Your (Jim's) recent experience in
KM was likewise: a good active scum plays a good town day game. That's what you did when scum, yes? and it
was a scummy cover, yes?
And quit saying I'm tunneling. Tunneling requires me to attack one player ignoring all others, and I'm not; I'm also looking at you (and the other blue painted ones from my earlier post). It's just a persistent attack trying to get to the bottom of things; he'll either prove to my satisfaction that he's a townie, or I'll do my best to see him hang for his scumminess. That goes for you too. This ain't tunneling, and even if it were, it doesn't diminish the validity of my arguments. Attack them on their own, don't dismiss them by labeling the person that presented them.