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[Earthquake Damage]

Yes, he is a threat. However, Murder is a crime.

But is it murder?  Legally, morally, or otherwise, the answer depends on the context (including social context e.g. where you live, where you were raised, and so forth).

[Max White]

But is it murder?  Legally, morally, or otherwise, the answer depends on the context (including social context e.g. where you live, where you were raised, and so forth).

Interesting fact: Murder in self defence is still murder, and will go on a criminal record. If you kill somebody in self defence, you will still be a convicted murderer. You just won't get any penaltys.

[Urist is dead tome]

Not in America. Well most stated anyway.

[Fayrik]

But is it murder?

Yes. Yes it is murder.

Max's post reflects his, and I believe my local laws.

But lets take a zoom-out here.
How can killing someone in cold blood not be murder?

[Max White]

Not in America. Well most stated anyway.

Realy? Wow, you guys have some strange laws. Over here, to make sure people take every offence seriously, rather then conditions afffecting wether your guilty or innocent, these are absolute, and your penalty for commiting said crimes is based on conditions.

That way there is no way you can kill somebody and pretend it was self defence, then do the same thing a year or two later and not draw a lot of attention.

[Earthquake Damage]

Murder in self defence is still murder

You should refine your terminology a bit.  X is X.  Did you mean "Killing in self defence is still murder"?  Legally, kill and murder aren't necessarily synonymous.

[Urist is dead tome]

Not in America. Well most stated anyway.

Realy? Wow, you guys have some strange laws. Over here, to make sure people take every offence seriously, rather then conditions afffecting wether your guilty or innocent, these are absolute, and your penalty for commiting said crimes is based on conditions.

That way there is no way you can kill somebody and pretend it was self defence, then do the same thing a year or two later and not draw a lot of attention.

Well you have to be in actual threat of harm. And I think it's fairly strictly regulated.

[Max White]

You should refine your terminology a bit.  X is X.  Did you mean "Killing in self defence is still murder"?  Legally, kill and murder aren't necessarily synonymous.

Ok, granted. Killing in self defence is still murder. Do my words tickle your fancy now?

[Virex]

But is it murder?  Legally, morally, or otherwise, the answer depends on the context (including social context e.g. where you live, where you were raised, and so forth).

Interesting fact: Murder in self defence is still murder, and will go on a criminal record. If you kill somebody in self defence, you will still be a convicted murderer. You just won't get any penaltys.

Killing in self-defence can't be murder because it's not premeditated. At the very most it'll be marked as manslaughter.

[Earthquake Damage]

Yes. Yes it is murder.

Max's post reflects his, and I believe my local laws.

But lets take a zoom-out here.
How can killing someone in cold blood not be murder?

My point:  There are no absolutes on the matter.

According to the law where you live, you may be correct.  In your culture, you may be correct.  Other codes of law and cultures may disagree.

As for your question, the easy answer:  War.  I'm sure that's not what you were after, though, so I'll go with this:  It depends.  Example:  Duels, back in those oh-so-savage days of yore when men were men and women were men and so on...

[Max White]

Killing in self-defence can't be murder because it's not premeditated. At the very most it'll be marked as manslaughter.

Second degree murder is still murder.

Sorry wait. Killing somebody even without premeditation is still murder. Ok, that statment is just as vauge as the first, but in context you get the idea.

[Lord Shonus]

It depends on the state, but there is no state where killing in self defense leaves you with a criminal record. It is not erased from history, but it cannot be used against you in a court of law, just like an aquittal. (There is, however, no statute of limitations on murder, so as long as there was no trial, a subsequent crime can lead to a reopening of investigation.)

[Max White]

My point:  There are no absolutes on the matter.

According to the law where you live, you may be correct.  In your culture, you may be correct.  Other codes of law and cultures may disagree.

As for your question, the easy answer:  War.  I'm sure that's not what you were after, though, so I'll go with this:  It depends.  Example:  Duels, back in those oh-so-savage days of yore when men were men and women were men and so on...

War... War never changes.
Sorry, back on topic. And you know what happened to those 'oh so savage days'? The law changed. Not the culture, the law. Go read the ever so popular Romio and Juliet, the culture of that time was without doubt one were deuling in the streets was cultualy acceptable, but legaly not. So law is not dependant on culture, as such we can freely talk about what laws are good or bad free of the constraints of local customs.

[Fayrik]

Killing in self-defence can't be murder because it's not premeditated. At the very most it'll be marked as manslaughter.

What, do you have to hand in a notice that you're gunna kill someone in order to qualify it as murder?
Killing someone in a fist fight? That's not premeditated.. Grabbing a gun however.. I'm pretty sure that involves the thought process "I am going to kill that person."

As for your question, the easy answer:  War.

Since the world at large has laws for this, then yes.
There are technically ways in which War... While not being murder...
It can still well be unlawful killing. Which I believe is called Geonocide.

Example:  Duels, back in those oh-so-savage days of yore when men were men and women were men and so on...

Well, despite the fact in some cases duels actually where formal contracts, it's still senselessly violent.

[Urist is dead tome]

I think premeditated means they spent quite some time planning it.