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[Neonivek]

What? The Hello Kitty AR is the best gun right ever.

Only if it shoots Kaeroke Bullets

[Megaman]

Probably does.

[Urist is dead tome]

I will fix this topic!

Japan's biggest problem was simply that their tactics were too old. Case in point, Banzai Charges.

They did well they just didn't figure on pulling the tigers tail with Peal Harbor.

Well now I really wanna watch the Pacific again.

[Megaman]

You didn't, the topic is gun rights. Also, I feel sorry for your English chaps *stereotype*.

[Urist is dead tome]

English chaps?

What?

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

No, no they didn't, don't be an idiot. Soldiers die for many reasons, not 'to protect blah blah blah'. The biggest reason, atleast for american soldiers, is becouse they are idiots who joined the army, sorry if it's offencive but if you join a force willingly where its likely you are going to die I think you're stupid. But as the the current war? It has nothing to do with our freedoms, it's basicly a religious war without being 'in our face' about at this point. America was attacked by extermist psychos, we attacked back then moved away from the guys who did it to attack more musliems on a bullshit excuse. Please don't make this about war and just keep it on topic, the 'soldiers died to protect blah blah blah' thing is old and has never been intelligent.

I DID serve in the Army.  Call me what you will.  I defended your right to say it.  I swore an oath to defend the constitution of the USA with my life if necessary.  I swore an oath to protect your right to call the brave people I served with anything that you want.  It is the height of intelligence, civility and moral courage to know that our freedoms are what soldiers fight for.  I am discouraged to hear you say the things your saying, but I can smile knowing I helped contribute to yours and everyone elses right to say them (in the US).

I pray you have a peaceful and blessed life.

[Neonivek]

The problem ultimately Gorjo is that Soldiers ultimately work for the government and the government doesn't always act according to the constitutions it is based upon.

Soldiers are expected to act with a large degree of unchallenging their orders, for lack of a better way to put it, because a soldier needs to be able to act quickly and efficiantly otherwise they are poor.

Thus in essence soldiers have fought against the very things they promised to uphold.

It is amazing, and by amazing I mean horrible, how the world works.

I respect soldiers but I have intentionally hardened myself to them because of how often they are used in poor excuses.

Mind you Soldiers are not stupid and they are highly trained individuals.

I am not sure what I am saying actually.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

The problem ultimately Gorjo is that Soldiers ultimately work for the president but the 1000's of federal beauracrats and congressional member and staff  don't always act according to the constitutions.

Soldiers are expected to act with a large degree of unchallenging their orders, for lack of a better way to put it, because a soldier needs to be able to act quickly and efficiantly otherwise they are poor.

Thus in essence sometimes soldiers have fought against the very things they promised to uphold.

It is amazing, and by amazing I mean horrible, how the world works.

I respect soldiers and pray for them because of how often they are used in poor excuses.

Mind you Soldiers are not stupid and they are highly trained individuals.  They have to know the difference between a legal and illegal order and thats a hell of a thing for someone trained to obey.[/i]

I am not sure what I am saying actually.  Neither am i, far too often for my own peace of mind

fix'd ( IMO )

[Aqizzar]

I wouldn't know, but you would.  When a soldier swears that oath, is it to the government as a whole or just the Constitution and the President, or what?  Because I would like to think that respecting Congress is part of the duty.

[Il Palazzo]

pray for them

Atheism thread metastasis commence!

[Urist is dead tome]

Because I would like to think that respecting Congress is part of the duty.

Except it's not. I got an Email from a congressman telling me how he didn't care about said problem and won't do anything to fix it.

If my plans for the future work out then I will still not respect a congressman simply because he is a congressman.

[Aqizzar]

Well, I was asking Gorjo, since he's the one who brought up the military's oaths.  And I'd like to see this email, or at least the name of the Congressman, since it's practically in the job description that they have to respond with at least a form letter saying "I care about your problem that I couldn't take the time to type".

[Il Palazzo]

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/oathofenlist.htm

[Urist is dead tome]

Well, I was asking Gorjo, since he's the one who brought up the military's oaths.  And I'd like to see this email, or at least the name of the Congressman, since it's practically in the job description that they have to respond with at least a form letter saying "I care about your problem that I couldn't take the time to type".

This is the exact copy and paste with quotation marks.

"Dear Aaron:

 

           Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns regarding Private Bradley Manning.  I appreciate hearing from you.

 

           Specific to your concerns, there is no legislation currently pending consideration in the 112th Congress that would affect the trial of military servicemembers, such as Private Manning.  There also was no such legislation introduced in the 111th Congress.

 

As you know, Private Manning is currently charged with downloading and leaking classified material, and he is being held at the Quantico military detention facility.  A hearing date before a military court has not yet been set.  Should any legislation be introduced in the 112th Congress that would affect this situation, be assured that I will monitor it with your views in mind.

 

           Thank you again for contacting me.  Do not hesitate to let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

Peter J. Visclosky
Member of Congress"

You have received this email in response to an inquiry you submitted to Congressman Visclosky. If you would like to receive periodic updates from Congressman Visclosky, please send an email to pjv.newsletter@mail.house.gov with "subscribe" in the subject line, or go to www.house.gov/visclosky and join the e-newsletter.

[Andir]

Personal opinion, as a gun owner, in Ohio with a permit to conceal carry.  ($150, 12 hours of classes on handguns for self defense, range time, and proper handling.)

I think people abuse the "guns are only made for one thing" line.  I fully agree that they are simply tools and without guns, people would find other long range deadly tools... or make them.  You can't simply go about banning stuff because someone could use it or we will relegate our world to a giant ball pit with Styrofoam cars and mandated plastic dead plugs for all the electrical outlets in people's homes.

I think children that get guns before they are trained should be blamed on the parents.  You can buy gun safes for a pretty low rate these days  (I just got a steal case single weapon locker that I can mount practically anywhere for $25.)  Some of them are specifically designed to allow quick access to someone that knows the proper combination of button presses.  There's no reason for children to get a hold of a gun without a responsible adult.  I think all gun crimes should trace back to the owner of said gun.  (We have detectives for a reason, and it's not sitting in the median of a highway to scare drivers into slamming on their brakes.)

I personally support licenses for concealed carry weapons, I have no problems with properly educating children (in fact I support it) so they don't go get idealistic ideas about them (like they are only tools for death as some of you state.)  And I recommend including the most gory and disgusting images you can drudge up to enforce the image of destruction.  I would even support a mandatory class in order to purchase weapons like the 12 hour CCW course I took.  One weekend is not too much.

It's pretty sad that people continue to blame guns for crime as well.  Crime is a "social problem" and until you solve that problem, crime will be high.  My personal opinion on the matter is "correlation is not causation."  It has nothing to do with ease of access.  If someone wants to kill you, they'll do it while you sleep with whatever tool they like.  Maybe even your own cast iron pan.