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[Nikov]

Children should be educated about firearms from early on so they do not do anything stupidious with a weapon.

But can we really trust parents to educate children? Isn't it safer to just make all weapons illegal to protect the children of stupid parents?

[KaguroDraven]

Children should be educated about firearms from early on so they do not do anything stupidious with a weapon.

But can we really trust parents to educate children? Isn't it safer to just make all weapons illegal to protect the children of stupid parents?

It's not just that the parents are stupid, or even that the kids aren't educated. It's that KIDS are stupid, and some parents leave the gun in a place the kid can get to.  Still, I'm fine with guns so long as there are regulations about them, which thankfully where I live there are.
Also, your sarcasem fails this time Nikov.

[atomicwinter]

(trolling removed)

[ed boy]

A fully automatic weapon has exactly no purpose aside from sweeping a room or firing into a tightly packed crowd.

You forgot supression fire. Not any good outside of military situations, but it's still worth noting.

Fun fact: for each insurgent killed in afganistan and iraq, roughly a quarter of a million shots are fired in supression fire - about three tons

[Phmcw]

But, Nikov, on this small matter of 100 000 death and wound by firearm per year in America, what do you intend to do.
Your children could end up among these statistics. They would have two less chance out of three if you lived in England. 

Anyone who believes giving people the right to bear arms would increase homicide rates is not thinking deep enough. A firearm would be easier to detect when fired, while, say, a kitchen knife, is capable of a fairly silent kill. If you have a criminal record you can't buy a gun legally, anyway. I'd accept civilian models with burst-fire at most, but those crazy NRA types are probably going too far with full auto. Also I go to the firing range on occasion, and they are quite recreational devices if used properly.

No, they are just looking at facts. Namely  gun ownership is not exactly the problem, it's universal handgun access.
It's just too damn easy to kill a lot of poeple with a good .45 .

A that you can add : social illegalities, lack of social care, stressful work condition (japan have them too, but they have another way to vent it out : suicide), and generally having the stupid idea that defending you home with a gun is the thing to do.   

[Virex]

There is also the point that it's psychologically easier to kill with a gun then with a knife, because you can keep a greater distance from your target.

This is the picture of a totally consertive gun manic. Totally mindless of the many many dangers of guns. How would YOU like it if someone broke into your home and shot all of your family to death with a gun? THAT HE GOT AT A STORE?

The criminal getting it at a store isn't the problem, he can often get it on the black market just as easily. The problem is that a large part of gun-related injuries are inflicted with the gun of the person being wounded, or the gun of a family member. This is because many keep the gun in an easily accessible place, so they can get it if they need it. Problem is, this place is also easily accessible to anyone breaking into his or her house (or the children, which is also a common source for gun-related injuries). It's safer not to have a gun around the house exactly for this reason.

[Toady One]

(removed a troll post and some replies, atomicwinter warned)

[Phmcw]

Hardened criminal will have guns. Just not as easily.
But if your aunt decide she really have a grudge with you, whether or not she have access to a gun will make all the difference. And her having a small caliber rifle or a Bernetta 9mm can make another  difference. Your guns, however most likely won't be useful, because you will not have them handy at the family barbecue. (Reference to a story that happened to someone I know. The fact that she used the rifle resulted with a 14 year old girl with a .22 round in the hip, the old fool kept on the ground by her father, and no major damage (the girl is fine). If the after-mentioned aunt had access to a semiautomatic weapon of reasonable caliber, there would have been a lot of death that day.)

[Johnfalcon99977]

The only reason to own a gun besides as a tack accessory that you can not fire, "pimp", or even show. Unless your planning on doing so,ething that isn't excatlly againist the law. (The firing range and hunting areas can give you a gun and take it away when your leaving, so thats solved.)

Also, knives would be easier to trace if there involved in the killing. And even if felons could buy guns off the black market, it would take time and be more expenisive. And then the crime rate would drop because of harder access to guns.

The 2^nd amdendment was for the frontier men who had to defend their homes from Native Americans and hunt for there food. Theres plenty of food that we can get without hunting now, and I don't really see any native americans here. Its obsolete and should be repealed.

[Urist is dead tome]

Also, knives would be easier to trace if there involved in the killing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_fingerprinting

Mhmmm....

[Sir Pseudonymous]

A fully automatic weapon has exactly no purpose aside from sweeping a room or firing into a tightly packed crowd.

You forgot supression fire. Not any good outside of military situations, but it's still worth noting.

Fun fact: for each insurgent killed in afganistan and iraq, roughly a quarter of a million shots are fired in supression fire - about three tons

Correct me if I'm wrong, but by my understanding suppression fire doesn't generally entail firing a weapon on full auto, but in controlled ~6 round bursts every few seconds. Pouring a constant stream of fire downrange would only accomplish wasting your ammo, so it's spaced out to increase the amount of time each round effectively keeps their head down.

Perhaps I should have been clearer, since a fully automatic weapon can be fired in controlled bursts, after all. Firing it off in large, uncontrolled bursts doesn't work too well though.

[thobal]

I think the difference in murder rates between the United States and Europe might have something to do with the fact that it's not wise to kick pieces of metal sticking out of the ground in Europe.

[Eugenitor]

Is that still a problem? I was under the impression they've almost all been defused or gone off in that region by now.

And I don't think it has much to do with it, seeing as how certain other countries have the same problem, only much worse, and everyone has guns there. Like, say, Afghanistan.

[scriver]

I think the difference in murder rates between the United States and Europe might have something to do with the fact that it's not wise to kick pieces of metal sticking out of the ground in Europe.

How is that even related? And relevance apart, there's a whole lot of other Europe that does not have minefields every few steps.

And Eugenitor, no, it still hasn't been completely dealt with, but I have no knowledge of how much there's left to do. Suffice to say people are still working on/with mine-related stuff.

[thobal]

I think the difference in murder rates between the United States and Europe might have something to do with the fact that it's not wise to kick pieces of metal sticking out of the ground in Europe.

How is that even related? And relevance apart, there's a whole lot of other Europe that does not have minefields every few steps.

And Eugenitor, no, it still hasn't been completely dealt with, but I have no knowledge of how much there's left to do. Suffice to say people are still working on/with mine-related stuff.

Related? I dunno, I guess most people having family members who died violently in wartime might just cause people to think twice about murder.