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[PTTG??]

I was talking about the common trope of shooting the lock off a door, that's all.

[Virex]

And the "gun lock pick" is a special round designed for use by cops and the military. Kinda rare for civilians. I mean they aren't restricted in most states but most punks don't bother.

For most civilian locks, the frangible rounds found at "green shooting ranges" ought to suffice. It's not like the lock will first check what kind of rounds you're using.

[Cthulhu]

Why bother though when you can crowbar the door open?  Plus, if you're just a punk breaking in you might as well just check each door in turn for one that isn't locked.

[Virex]

Shooting is faster then crowbarring and you've got a gun to threaten people with?

[Cthulhu]

Shooting the lock off the door is going to wake up everyone in the neighborhood and some punk isn't going to be interested in getting into a gunfight with the cops.

[Il Palazzo]

Guns are the single best self defense weapon there is. If you turn a corner you can take him by surprise. If he realizes you have a shotgun (generally considered the best home defense weapon there is) he's probably gonna run away. If he's not some street punk but a hardened killer then you have more serious problems then selection of a gun.

It's like this:
Somebody pulls a gun on you. Will you stop his bullets by the virtue of having a gun yourself?
Whomever pulls the gun first wins, and the first one is always going to be the bad guy.

There was this murder some few years back, when a bunch of army guys broke into their superior's house, tortured him and his wife, and then shot them both.
He was both skilled(a marine, and a veteran) and had a gun in his house, but when the attacker surprises you, - which is not that hard at all, unless you're a paranoid shut-in - you're screwed.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2008/11/05/2008-11-05_brooklyn_marine_sergeant__wife_tortured_-2.html

[zilpin]

Norway

Lowest murder rate in Europe.

[Leafsnail]

As much as I hate to say it, that phrase does in fact have [citation needed] next to it .

[Phmcw]

Norway

Lowest murder rate in Europe.

Yup, and it's quite tightly regulated. No concealed weapon allowed ever, always need a reason for having a weapon, restriction on caliber and kind of firearm... that is a good stance.

[Urist is dead tome]

The only restricted caliber is like 50.

I for one would prefer to have a Kentucky stance in all America.

    * Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
    * Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
    * Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
    * Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

    * Permit to purchase handgun? No
    * Registration of handguns? No
    * Licensing of owners of handguns? No
    * Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase
No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

Residents of the Commonwealth of Kentucky who are citizens of the United States shall have the right to purchase or otherwise acquire rifles, shotguns, handguns, and any other firearms which they are permitted to purchase or otherwise acquire under federal law and the Kentucky Revised Statutes from properly licensed dealers, manufacturers, importers, or collectors, and unlicensed individual person in Kentucky or in any other state or nation outside of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Posession
No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

Carrying
It is unlawful to carry a concealed firearm on or about one's person. This applies to carrying a concealed firearm in one's own premises or dwelling.

Exempt from this prohibition are persons issued a license to carry concealed firearms, police officers, agents and messengers of express companies when on duty, and U.S. mail carriers on duty.

"Concealed on or about the person" has been recently defined as "concealment in such proximity to the person as to be convenient of access and within immediate physical reach."

Kentucky courts consider firearms located under a driver's seat concealed "on or about" the person, and are, therefore, unlawful. Firearms located in glove compartments, locked or unlocked, are not considered concealed.

The Department of Kentucky State Police shall issue a license to carry concealed firearms if the applicant:

    * Is a citizen of the United States who is a resident of this Commonwealth and has been a resident for 6 months or longer.

    * Is a citizen of the United States who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States who is on active duty, who is at the time of application assigned to a military posting in Kentucky, and who has been assigned to a posting in the Commonwealth for 6 months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application.

    * Is at least 21 years of age.

    * Is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to federal or state law.

    * Is not a fugitive from justice.

    * Is not under indictment for, or have been convicted of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

    * Has not been adjudicated an incompetent and has not been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

    * Has not been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

    * Has not been committed to a state or federal facility for the abuse of a controlled substance or been convicted of a misdemeanor relating to controlled substances within 3 years.

    * Does not have two or more convictions for operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol or other substance which impairs driving ability within 3 years immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted.

    * Does not owe a child support arrearage which equals or exceeds the cumulative amount which would be owed after 1 year of nonpayment.

    * Has complied with any subpoena or warrant relating to child support or paternity proceedings.

    * Has not been convicted of a violation of Assault in the fourth degree or Terroristic Threatening in the third degree within the three 3 years immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted.

    * Demonstrates competence with a firearm by successful completion of a firearms safety course offered or approved by the Department of Criminal Justice Training.

The firearms safety course shall:

      a) Be not more than 8 hours in length.

      b) Include instruction on handguns, the safe use of handguns, the care and cleaning of handguns and handgun marksmanship principles.

      c) Include actual range firing of a handgun in a safe manner and the firing of not more than 20 rounds at a full-size silhouette target, during which firing, not less than 11 rounds must hit the silhouette portion of the target.

      d) Include information on and a copy of laws relating to possession and carrying of firearms and laws relating to the use of force.

The application shall be obtained from and submitted to the office of the sheriff in the county in which the applicant resides. The application fee is $60. The license is valid statewide for 5 years. The applicant shall submit a recent color photograph and a photocopy of a certificate of completion of a course that demonstrates competence with a firearm. The application will be sent to the Kentucky State Police within five working days.

The Department of Kentucky State Police shall, within 90 days, either issue a license or deny the application, in which case the applicant shall be informed in writing of the grounds for denial and his right to submit, within 30 days, documentation relating to the denial.

The applicant shall also be informed of the right to seek review of the denial in the District Court of his place of residence. The applicant shall further be informed of their right to seek de novo review of the denial in the District Court of his or her place of residence.

Effective July 12, 2006, U.S. citizenship is required to be eligible to obtain a CCDW license. A CCDW License Application- Citizenship Affidavit must be completed and submitted to the sheriff of your county of residence to be attached to the application.

The licensee shall carry the license at all times the licensee is carrying a concealed firearm or other deadly weapon.

That's pretty much my view on this.

[Johnfalcon99977]

I personally hate all gun and wish we just get rid of them and stopped killing each other. But war is a fact of life and it isn't going away anytime soon. But, for heavens sake, DON'T LET THE PEOPLE HAVE THEM!!!

There is no reason for guns other them killing, which, if you haven't guessed, IS ILLEGAL.
Let me show you how these are none-sense.
"A man you intends to mug you runs up to you. You reach for your gun, you gra- Oh look. Hes already shot you, maybe you can still- Oh my, hes shot you again. Maybe in a last ditch effort, he can call for- Hes shot you in the head. Your dead now, and the man has taken your money."
This is a perfect example of why a gun WILL NOT protect you. What self-respecting crimnal is going to run up to you then draw his gun. He will have you at gunpoint before you can relize what is happing and protect yourself. Now say that the crimnal is a dumbass/you have a really quick draw. Unless it was in an area with lots of people, you WILL be charged with murder. And no crimnal is going to attack someone with other people around. If you did kill him you would have very little proof that he did try to kill you. Also, the family of the man you killed will also sue you for killing him. Thats a lot of sh*t right there. Theres also domestic vilolence. If your really angry and don't think, you might just shoot you gun, harming and possibly killing your dog/child/spouse/parents. And then theres the children. How many cases are there every year where a child takes a gun, and either meaning or not, harms and maybe kills himself and other children? A lot more often then we all want.
Also, an untrained, lightly armed, unarmored citizen isn't really going to do batsh*t againist the highly trained and armored enemy soldiers of an invading country or the goverment.
Guns serve useless when scaring off people who may attack or rob you. They will just kill/rob you when your sleeping.

So get rid of the damned guns and we no longer need to worry about people killing each other.

[Urist is dead tome]

The US provides protective laws for people who killed in self defense.

Also I would like to mention that Kentucky has a quite low crime rate.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/kycrime.htm

And some California.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

And how 'bout Illinois and New York?
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ilcrime.htm

If you don't allow a law abiding citizen to get a gun then they can't defend themselves against a criminal who got one anyway.

[fqllve]

So get rid of the damned guns and we no longer need to worry about people killing each other.

This makes you sound like a parody of the gun control people. I mean really? Murder never happened before guns?

But what about hunting? I imagine it's pretty difficult to hunt ducks with a longbow.

[Urist is dead tome]

So get rid of the damned guns and we no longer need to worry about people killing each other.

This makes you sound like a parody of the gun control people. I mean really? Murder never happened before guns?

But what about hunting? I imagine it's pretty difficult to hunt ducks with a longbow.

You pretty much can't hunt ducks with a bow.

[Sergius]

So get rid of the damned guns and we no longer need to worry about people killing each other.

This makes you sound like a parody of the gun control people. I mean really? Murder never happened before guns?

But what about hunting? I imagine it's pretty difficult to hunt ducks with a longbow.

You pretty much can't hunt ducks with a bow.

You can if you're Green Arrow.

Also: you can't HUG YOUR CHILDREN WITH NUC... er, FIREARMS!