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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2011, 04:31:58 pm »

You're trying to break into a home here and you haven't taken the precaution to get frangible rounds or a real lockpick... Somehow I doubt you're going to worry too much about that. Anyway, if the door isn't too strong you could use birdshot as well. Besides, if you stand at a steep angle with the door you minimize the chance of them rebounding towards you.
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2011, 04:33:40 pm »

Just out of curiosity, I'd like you to describe a scenario where that would be a sensible option if you're not law enforcement (although, even then...).  Bonus points if you explain why blasting the door to pieces is a better option than breaking a window.
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2011, 04:41:13 pm »

Just out of curiosity, I'd like you to describe a scenario where that would be a sensible option if you're not law enforcement (although, even then...).  Bonus points if you explain why blasting the door to pieces is a better option than breaking a window.
which one do you want to crawl through for escape?

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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2011, 04:41:35 pm »

Anyway, France's law on the matter is pretty good : you want a gun?
If your background check is clear, then you learn how to use it. Then you can have it, but no carrying around, and pretty much everything is traced.

Now, guns are pretty much useless in self defense, at least if your aggressor have a gun. You may draw fast, but his bullet will got you first.

They are several reason why America have so many death due to violence. They are conveniently listed under the name "popular conservative policies", namely : gun for everyone (concealed even), no social care, and awful work condition.
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2011, 04:43:10 pm »

which one do you want to crawl through for escape?
Huh?  So now I'm blasting down the front door of my own house because why?
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2011, 04:45:42 pm »

which one do you want to crawl through for escape?
Huh?  So now I'm blasting down the front door of my own house because why?
you confused me. You didn't give me a person's point of view.

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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2011, 04:46:12 pm »

Doors, windows, and ballistic gel dummies have broken into your house and kidnapped your wife.
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2011, 04:49:59 pm »

Stop scaring me Cthulhu!!!!
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2011, 04:58:29 pm »

Just out of curiosity, I'd like you to describe a scenario where that would be a sensible option if you're not law enforcement (although, even then...).  Bonus points if you explain why blasting the door to pieces is a better option than breaking a window.
You're trying to break into the home of someone you just happen to know has a big plasma TV, because, you know, it's a bitch to drag a 120 inch screen trough a window. Hell, I don't know, someone said something about using guns for lockpicking, and someone else was surprised. I just pointed out that shotguns are pretty good for lockpicking. The question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock with a gun is just as interesting as the question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock in the first place...
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2011, 04:59:56 pm »

Anyway, France's law on the matter is pretty good : you want a gun?
If your background check is clear, then you learn how to use it. Then you can have it, but no carrying around, and pretty much everything is traced.

Now, guns are pretty much useless in self defense, at least if your aggressor have a gun. You may draw fast, but his bullet will got you first.

They are several reason why America have so many death due to violence. They are conveniently listed under the name "popular conservative policies", namely : gun for everyone (concealed even), no social care, and awful work condition.

Guns are the single best self defense weapon there is. If you turn a corner you can take him by surprise. If he realizes you have a shotgun (generally considered the best home defense weapon there is) he's probably gonna run away. If he's not some street punk but a hardened killer then you have more serious problems then selection of a gun.

Just out of curiosity, I'd like you to describe a scenario where that would be a sensible option if you're not law enforcement (although, even then...).  Bonus points if you explain why blasting the door to pieces is a better option than breaking a window.
You're trying to break into the home of someone you just happen to know has a big plasma TV, because, you know, it's a bitch to drag a 120 inch screen trough a window. Hell, I don't know, someone said something about using guns for lockpicking, and someone else was surprised. I just pointed out that shotguns are pretty good for lockpicking. The question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock with a gun is just as interesting as the question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock in the first place...

Why would anyone try to steal something that big?

Can anyone at all name a weapon better for defense than a gun? Anyone?
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2011, 05:02:03 pm »

Bigger screens are more expensive then small ones? Besides, the size doesn't matter if you've got a delivery van waiting for you (granted, someone who'd get a delivery van would probably also take the time to get frangible rounds, but still)
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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2011, 05:02:10 pm »

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Guns are the single best self defense weapon there is. If you turn a corner you can take him by surprise. If he realizes you have a shotgun (generally considered the best home defense weapon there is) he's probably gonna run away. If he's not some street punk but a hardened killer then you have more serious problems then selection of a gun.

The problem is : they are way better offense weapon.
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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2011, 05:02:26 pm »

I'm not American or something, but I support a hopefully to-be revision on my country's gun laws.

Basically, you don't get to have a damn automatic-capable assault rifle at home anymore.
If you want a gun, you must both prove you can use it and that you need it.
Every gun is registered and can be traced.

That's how it ought to be.
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Re: Gun rights discussion
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2011, 05:03:26 pm »

You're trying to break into the home of someone you just happen to know has a big plasma TV, because, you know, it's a bitch to drag a 120 inch screen trough a window. Hell, I don't know, someone said something about using guns for lockpicking, and someone else was surprised. I just pointed out that shotguns are pretty good for lockpicking. The question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock with a gun is just as interesting as the question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock in the first place...
"I need to be as stealthy and careful about this robbery as possible."

*BOOM*

I mean... sure, it'll get the door down, but you've attracted the attention of everyone within a 500m radius.
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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2011, 05:05:30 pm »

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Guns are the single best self defense weapon there is. If you turn a corner you can take him by surprise. If he realizes you have a shotgun (generally considered the best home defense weapon there is) he's probably gonna run away. If he's not some street punk but a hardened killer then you have more serious problems then selection of a gun.

The problem is : they are way better offense weapon.

And if you don't know hot to counter a closeup encounter in which you must get rid of an opponents gun you aren't qualified for a gun.

You're trying to break into the home of someone you just happen to know has a big plasma TV, because, you know, it's a bitch to drag a 120 inch screen trough a window. Hell, I don't know, someone said something about using guns for lockpicking, and someone else was surprised. I just pointed out that shotguns are pretty good for lockpicking. The question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock with a gun is just as interesting as the question if there are sensible reasons to pick a lock in the first place...
"I need to be as stealthy and careful about this robbery as possible."

*BOOM*

I mean... sure, it'll get the door down, but you've attracted the attention of everyone within a 500m radius.

And the "gun lock pick" is a special round designed for use by cops and the military. Kinda rare for civilians. I mean they aren't restricted in most states but most punks don't bother.
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