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[Andir]

This whole thing is getting rather silly, and we're starting to slide into pure speculation.

Agree... and most of it is speculation from someone who claims no experience, knowledge or willingness to debate.  So it's rather pointless.

[Max White]

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Shooting a family member requires a gun.  That's like saying the rate of people stabbing themselves is a lot higher when they have pointy objects.

Yea, funny that. You can't buy a knife untill your over 18 either, atleast in Australia. Same for lighters. So were hoping to restrict pointy and burny things too. Maybe there is a reason.

And I don't sleep next to my gun.  I have an unloaded pump shotgun with a disabled trigger (was a confiscated weapon I got at auction) within reach though for the sound it makes.  If you heard that while invading a home at night, you'd think twice.

Also, FYI, fatality of gunshots.  (I assume this is correct as I haven't read the book):

If it is in that state, it is hardly a capable weapon now, is it? I don't object to people owning guns, go for it! Shooting is the second most relaxing sport I ever tried, and I would say if you have an intrest in it then go for it. I object to ready and loaded fire arms in households.

[Andir]

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Shooting a family member requires a gun.  That's like saying the rate of people stabbing themselves is a lot higher when they have pointy objects.

Yea, funny that. You can't buy a knife untill your over 18 either, atleast in Australia. Same for lighters. So were hoping to restrict pointy and burny things too. Maybe there is a reason.

And I don't sleep next to my gun.  I have an unloaded pump shotgun with a disabled trigger (was a confiscated weapon I got at auction) within reach though for the sound it makes.  If you heard that while invading a home at night, you'd think twice.

Also, FYI, fatality of gunshots.  (I assume this is correct as I haven't read the book):

If it is in that state, it is hardly a capable weapon now, is it? I don't object to people owning guns, go for it! Shooting is the second most relaxing sport I ever tried, and I would say if you have an intrest in it then go for it. I object to ready and loaded fire arms in households.

My handgun is ready and loaded right now... do I intend to unlock the case it's in and grab it first?  No.  The shotgun is my third line of scare tactic (turning the light on them and giving them a warning from the second floor balcony overlooking my living room if they are there.)  If I had them in my bedroom, I at least have a heavy metal object with a nice wood stock to defend myself if they approach.  If they get a hold of it to try to fire it at me, they have a surprise of their own.  It's all about keep them more surprised than yourself.  If, after all that, they do not flee... there's something mentally wrong with that person.

[Max White]

Maybe we shouldn't be shooting at people who have something mentaly wrong with them then. 

[Sir Finkus]

Not that it really matters, but I don't sleep with a loaded gun either.  It's empty, but with a loaded magazine nearby.

[Earthquake Damage]

Yea, funny that. You can't buy a knife untill your over 18 either, atleast in Australia. Same for lighters. So were hoping to restrict pointy and burny things too. Maybe there is a reason.

Either you missed the point entirely or I smell trollface.

Let's try it this way:  If P then Q.  You claim "P occurs more often when Q occurs".  The claim is trivial.  More importantly, it tells us nothing about the rate at which P occurs.

Maybe we shouldn't be shooting at people who have something mentaly wrong with them then. 

Implication:  Don't shoot Leatherface.  He just wants to wear your skin.

[Max White]

Either you missed the point entirely or I smell trollface.

Let's try it this way:  If P then Q.  You claim "P occurs more often when Q occurs".  The claim is trivial.  More importantly, it tells us nothing about the rate at which P occurs.

You made the point that you can't stab somebody without a knife, so I made the point that knives are regulated. You can't shoot somebody without a gun, so guns too should be regulated, this is near undispuable. However, the level of regulation is up for debate.
Knives are useful tools that are required for many tasks, and not very effective means of killing reletive to a gun. A gun is not a useful tool that is required for many tasks, and a very effective means of killing reletive to a knife. Therefor the regulation for guns should be a lot more extreme, to the levels of having a loaded one next to your bed being illegal.

[Andir]

You need a license to wield a steak knife there?

[Max White]

Like I said,

Knives are useful tools that are required for many tasks, and not very effective means of killing reletive to a gun. A gun is not a useful tool that is required for many tasks, and a very effective means of killing reletive to a knife. Therefor the regulation for guns should be a lot more extreme, to the levels of having a loaded one next to your bed being illegal.

A steak knife is less lethal and more usefull, so less restrictions.

[Earthquake Damage]

You made the point that you can't stab somebody without a knife, so I made the point that knives are regulated.

Who said anything about knives?  I deliberately said "pointy objects" to cover any potential stabbifying agent.  We need some of that regulation for fallen branches and, I dunno, rat bones or something. 

[Sir Finkus]

You made the point that you can't stab somebody without a knife, so I made the point that knives are regulated.

Who said anything about knives?  I deliberately said "pointy objects" to cover any potential stabbifying agent.  We need some of that regulation for fallen branches and, I dunno, rat bones or something. 

Don't forget vomit, sand, and fluffy wamblers.

[Max White]

Careful of those wamblers, you can break skulls with those!

[Andir]

Don't forget electricity.  They package it in nice neat little gun like objects called tazers.  Though the claim is that they are non-lethal, the person could be wearing a pacemaker or be positioned on a set of concrete stairs that attract his head.

Also, hot soldering irons...


And you are telling me that a steak knife is not a lethal weapon?  It's sole intention is to cut meat.  Are you not made of meat?

[Earthquake Damage]

This slope sure is slippery.

[Max White]

It's sole intention is to cut meat that isn't going to fight back.

Also, down here, In merry old land of Aus, tazers are illegal. Even lasers of a certain intensity and higher are illegal without paperwork. Things are rather civilised down here when it comes to anything that can be used as weapons.