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[vadia]

Irony's counter is pretty strong I'll novote unless I hear something -- (my sauce took much longer than I expected to cook)

[Toaster]

Cancel shorten and Extend.  I'm not losing to an utterly scummy 11th hour vote change.  Vadia, if you don't want scum to win, you better vote Irony and/or extend.

Full post coming- need this first.

[JanusTwoface]

Day Ends: ~10 minutes
10 Feb 2011 @ 11:59 pm EST

Notes
There are no remaining Sorcerers.
On a tie, No Lynch will occur.
Extension 2/3: IronyOwl, Toaster

Toaster	(2)	- IronyOwl, Jokerman-EXE
IronyOwl	(1)	- Toaster
Jokerman-EXE	(0)	-
vadia	(0)	-
Not Voting	(0)	-
No Lynch	(1)	- vadia

Let me know if I missed anything.

[Toaster]

D1 Irony completely ignored Dariush and Nirur.  Irony and Nirur spent much of the day on vadia- presumably to force through a mislynch on a newbie.  Nirur switches to Dariush after I catch him on a slip, and Irony moves his vote to Taco Dan when the vadia wagon loses steam- note his weak vote reasoning. 

This is a lie. At the time, vadia had one more vote than Taco Dan- in fact, you pointed this very fact out in those scum notes you dumped. Which is funny, because you found that scummy also.

Yes, but people were swinging to Taco Dan, hence my comment.

D2 Irony questions Dariush early on, but doesn't vote him.  He then moves back on to vadia.  He votes Dariush only after his fakeclaim, same as Nirur.  Nirur finally posts his read, where he gives a generic read on Irony.  (Yes, I'm aware that he gives the same read on me- see later.)  Irony gets through D2 without mentioning Nirur once.

Near as I can tell, most of the people on Dariush were pissed at him, rather than absolutely convinced he was scum. If you've got any specific scumslips of his that I refused to acknowledge, please link them; otherwise, you're just trying to incriminate me with something that was only obvious after the fact.

You're also cherry-picking my lack of interaction with Nirur- I don't remember any questions to or from you that day either.

Finally, you seem to be implying that Nirur's voting Dariush only after his fakeclaim incriminates me because I did it too. Not only was Nirur on him earlier, it was for the same reason as you- this doesn't seem to indicate scum was hell-bent on not bussing him, nor does it explain how I'm scummier in that regard than you are.

Yes, this one here I called him on early.

You mean to him or to you?  To you would be irrelevant- to him wrong- see me and him during RV.

The trick on Nirur voting Dariush is that he didn't renew it D2- he went soft on him at the start of D2.

D3 Nirur finally addresses Irony directly with a generic "give me your scumpicks" question, after declaring us both "too townie."  I think this was done without force on either of us (he backs off me quickly) so as to create a bit of distancing.  Irony comes back with a neutral read on Nirur, for his first comment on Nirur of the game.  Nirur's attack on Irony (remember, he gave the same reason for me) has vasnished, replaced by attacking me for garbage reasoning.  Irony never comments on Nirur's "too townie" attack on him.

Once again, you fail to explain how Nirur using the same attack on both of us is a distancing move for me and not you, especially since he also then abandoned the attack he replaced it with.

The difference is I called him on it and you ignored it.

D4 rolls around, and it's a bit before Irony's first question to Nirur of the game.  It's the same generic "what's your read on everyone?"  Nirur responds with his reasons that he's leaving Irony alone.  There was a quick exchange between them in the next two posts, then silence.  Irony then mostly ignores this discussion until I directly question him on it.  He gives a non-answer.  Jim tries to get more out of him, but it's like pulling teeth.

"This discussion" was completely unrelated to that; you're not outright lying, but you're obviously trying to deceive. You're correct that I wasn't paying nearly as much attention as I should have; by that point, I was pretty sure I already knew who the scumteam was. It wasn't until rereading that I realized there was an issue, however, which I proceeded to ask about.

On D5, Irony is in defeatist mode.

I'd been critically wrong about everything and looked like scum to boot; I'm not sure how being as confident as ever would have been a towntell.

It's fine if you've been wrong- shit happens.  The problem is you didn't even try to do any scum hunting until this post happened- an easy way for you to reverse things.

So, yeah. You're trying to pick out specific examples to suit your purposes, even when you have to lie to make them work. And even if you weren't, "he wasn't going after the right people" is not what I would call shorten-at-lylo reasoning.

I didn't bring up that reasoning D4 because I hadn't seen Nirur's flip.  I was damn sure, but it wasn't 100% until I saw his flip.

[Toaster]

Anyway, since vadia unvoted like a fool, you've successfully suckered your way into a scum win unless Joker or Vadia come in with a vote on you or an extend.  Sucks to lose to a sucker punch like that, but I'm not surprised.

[JanusTwoface]

>>> End of Day 5 <<<

And down until the 11th hour
When the scum revealed their greatest power
Control heart and mind
To truth, go blind
Kill Toaster and before the Owl cower

Toaster has been lynched!
Toaster was an Innocent Apprentice.

DARK SORCERERS WIN!

Toaster	(2)	- IronyOwl, Jokerman-EXE
IronyOwl	(1)	- Toaster
Jokerman-EXE	(0)	-
vadia	(0)	-
Not Voting	(0)	-
No Lynch	(1)	- vadia

[JanusTwoface]

Spoiler: Role PMs (click to show/hide)

KaminaSquirtle, you are a Master of Earth Magic.  With your talents of protection, you hope to bring an end to the terror that the Dark Magi intend.

Assist power (you also have this ability):

Word of Protection - You may choose to reveal that you know the Word of Protection.  If you do, your vote can count either normally or as a negative vote for the rest of the day.

Spell list:

1 Apprentice - Stoneskin - Choose a player.  For the night, that player cannot be chosen as the target of a spell.
2 Apprentices - Petrify - Choose a living player to Petrify or a Petrified player to return to normal. A Petrified can still speak, but cannot cast spells, assist, or vote while Petrified.
3 Apprentices - Wall of Stone - Divide the players into two groups, seperated by a Wall of Stone for the night and the following day.  Spells and assists cannot cross the Wall of Stone. Each group has a seperate vote pool, resulting in two potential lynches.

NativeForeigner, you are a Master of Water Magic.  With your talents at healing, hopefully you can survive these Dark Magi.

Assist power (you also have this ability):

Word of Healing - If you would be killed during the night, you will survive long enough for a final message.

Spell list:

1 Apprentice - Sacrifice - Choose a player other than yourself. If that player would be killed during the night or lynched the following day, you will save them at the cost of your own life.
2 Apprentices - Heal - Choose any player. If that player would die during the night or be lynched the following day, they will live instead.
3 Apprentices - Resurrection - Choose a dead player. That player is returned to life.

Zathras, you are a Master of Fire Magic.  With your talents, you can control the hearts of other mages.

Assist power (you also have this ability):

Word of Fury - You may choose to reveal that you know the Word of Fury.  If you do, your vote can count either normally or as a double vote for the rest of the day.

Spell list:

1 Apprentice - Enflame - Choose a player. Votes against that player count double for the following day.
2 Apprentices - Wall of Flame - At the end of the day, you gain the ability to block the lynch. If you do so, No Lynch will occur.
3 Apprentices - Greater Fury - Choose any number of players.  Each of those player's votes count double (three total votes if they also know and reveal the Word of Fury).

You are an innocent Apprentice.

During the course of each day, send me a PM with which of the remaining schools you have chosen to support.  You may change your mind up until the end of the day has been posted.

You will gain an ability for the following day, depending on which school you support.  Sorcerers gain more powerful abilities depending on how many Apprentices they have supporting them.

Dariush, you are a Master of Air Magic and the Dark Sorcerer.  With your talents of Illusion, you can redirect other Sorcerers and Apprentices.

In order to aid you in removing the other Sorcerers, you have created a secret channel of communication between yourself and your Apprentices.

Assist power (you also have this ability):

Word of Clarity - If you are the target of a spell, you will receive the exact details of how that spell works.

Spell list:

1 Apprentice - Confusion - Choose a player. For the night and the following day, all of that player's spells, assists, and votes will be chosen randomly.
2 Apprentices - Mass Confusion - Choose any number of players to Confuse.
3 Apprentices - Misdirection - Choose a player. For the night and the following day, you can choose the targets of any spells, assists, and votes for that player (you may choose them seperately and change your mind throughout the day).

You are a Dark Apprentice.

In order to aid you in removing the other Sorcerers, you have created a secret channel of communication with your Dark Sorcerer and fellow Dark Apprentice.

During the course of each day, send me a PM with which of the remaining schools you have chosen to support.  You may change your mind up until the end of the day has been posted.

You will gain an ability for the following day, depending on which school you support.  Sorcerers gain more powerful abilities depending on how many Apprentices they have supporting them.

Spoiler: Night 1 (click to show/hide)

You have received the support of 1 Apprentice, allowing you to cast Stoneskin.

Let me know by tomorrow (21 Jan 2011) at 11:59 pm who you want to cast it on.

You have received the support of 2 Apprentices, allowing you to cast Sacrifice or Heal.

Let me know by tomorrow (21 Jan 2011) at 11:59 pm which you want to cast and who you want to cast it on.

Unfortunately, you have not received the support of any Apprentices, so you cannot cast a spell tonight.

(Ironic isn't it. )

You have recieved the support of 2 Apprentices, allowing you to cast Confusion or Mass Confusion.

Let me know by tomorrow (21 Jan 2011) at 11:59 pm which spell you wish to cast and any targets.

By assisting Earth, you have learned the Word of Protection.

Any time during the day tomorrow, you may reveal that you know the Word of Protection. If you do so, you may choose for your vote to either count as a positive vote or negative vote (specify when voting).

By assisting Air, you have learned the Word of Clarity.

If you are the target of a spell during the night or during the day tomorrow, you will receive the exact details of how that spell works.

By assisting Water, you have learned the Word of Healing.

If you would be killed during the night, you will survive long enough for a single post (which may contain game related content) in the morning.

You have been lynched, but don't worry... This might not be the end!

(There is a chance of Resurrection, so there is currently no Dead Chat).

During the night you feel both Water and Air magic settling on you. Nothing obvious happens, so you go back to sleep.

You have no manner of luck at all. No sooner did you lie down in your bed than you found a nest of DARK SPIDERS waiting for you. Poisonous ones no less!

Don't give up hope though! There is a chance of Resurrection! (Thus there is currently no Dead Chat).

Confusion it is, on Jim Groovester. You go to bed, feeling like he'll be well and properly confused come morning.

He doesn't even notice as you cast DARK SPIDERS into his mattress. Or as they still his life away. Zathras is no more.

You cast your Heal on Jim Groovester. He'll be protected for sure.

Spoiler: Night 2 (click to show/hide)

You have received the support of 3 Apprentices, allowing you to cast Stoneskin, Petrify, or Wall of Stone.

Let me know by tomorrow (26 Jan 2011) at 11:59 pm which spell you wish to cast and any targets.

You have received the support of 2 Apprentices, allowing you to cast Sacrifice or Heal.

Let me know by tomorrow (26 Jan 2011) at 11:59 pm which you want to cast and who you want to cast it on.

By assisting Earth, you have access to the Word of Protection.

Any time during the day tomorrow, you may reveal that you know the Word of Protection. If you do so, you may choose for your vote to either count as a positive vote or negative vote (specify when voting).

By assisting Water, you have access to the Word of Healing.

If you would be killed during the night, you will survive long enough for a single post (which may contain game related content) in the morning.

You have been lynched, but don't worry... This might not be the end!

(There is a chance of Resurrection, so there is currently no Dead Chat).

Tonight, you feel only Water magic. The spell feels familiar, but there's still no obvious effect.

You manage to get your Heal off without issue.

Then your head decides that it'd rather not be on your shoulders. Well that sucks. Doubly so, because with you being dead, there's no hope of Resurrection.

Because you know the Word of Healing, you are allowed to make one more post (containing game related content) before you drift off into oblivion. Please make your final post as soon as you can and then don't post again.

I'll send you the link to the Dead Chat when you've made your final post.

Meh, who needs a head anyways? Not NativeForeigner!  Oooh, and he was a Sorcerer too! Nice!

Unfortunately, there's no longer any hope of Resurrection!

Dead Chat

Spoiler: Night 3 (click to show/hide)

... no lynch and no night kill ...

Spoiler: Night 4 (click to show/hide)

You thought you had it, but at the very end Vadia betrayed you. Hopefully IronyOwl still has a chance...

Dead Chat

You made it so far... But the remaining scum seem to have a plan for you. You don't even wake, peacefully slipping off into the darkness.

Dead Chat

Spoiler: Assists (click to show/hide)

Day 1:

Earth	-	Jim Groovester
Air	-	Nirur Torir, Toaster
Fire	-
Water	-	IronyOwl, Jokerman-EXE
None	-	Taco Dan, vadia

Day 2:

Earth	-	IronyOwl, Toaster, vadia
Air	-
Water	-	Jokerman-EXE, Jim Groovester
None	-	Nirur Torir

Dead Chat
Dark Magi Chat

[Toaster]

[rage]Well done on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, Joker and vadia.[/rage]


Well done Irony- I saw it coming, but there wasn't a thing I can do about it.  Who would you have killed if the game had gone to night?

[JanusTwoface]

Part of me wanted to wait to see if someone would show and Extend the, but I've lost as scum before for exactly that reason (the day didn't end on time), so I wouldn't have felt right about it.

It was definitely an interesting game between loosing all of the Sorcerers by Day 3 and last minute vote changes having such a large effect the last two days.

Thoughts?

[rage]Well done on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, Joker and vadia.[/rage]

Well deserved rage. So it goes though. Jokerman-EXE had half a good point in that you are hard to read. On the other hand, relying on a gut feeling at MYLO/LYLO tends to be a bad idea.

[Jim Groovester]

You fucking pieces of shit.

Not you, Toaster. You did fine.

You had the fucking game in hand.

WHY

WHY

Goodness grief.

_{I'm not really all that angry. But come on!}

[Book]

Yeah dudes, come on! It was clearly laid out for you, and you messed it up at the last minute. Booos on vadia and Jokerman.

But a very fun game nonetheless. Though I was feeling very hurt N1 when no one of you BASTARDS supported Fire... and then I was night killed. By spiders. I hate spiders.


Oh well. Such is life. Good show, scum. I thought you were hosed for sure, but you pulled it off with the help of Jokerman.

[Toaster]

IronyOwl     79
02-04-2011 05:44 PM ET (US)
   
Leaning towards Toaster. He's fairly adamant about NKs being WIFOM incarnate, so I don't think he'd be especially swayed by vadia vanishing. vadia, on the other hand, seems strangely pro-us for some reason; it wouldn't be terribly hard to convince him of something, I think.

And that's why!


At least I was right about Nirur D1- he was getting in on the ground floor of a Dariush bus- something I've done before as scum (Super 2).

[Toaster]

Part of me wanted to wait to see if someone would show and Extend the, but I've lost as scum before for exactly that reason (the day didn't end on time), so I wouldn't have felt right about it.

It was definitely an interesting game between loosing all of the Sorcerers by Day 3 and last minute vote changes having such a large effect the last two days.

Thoughts?

I had the same issue in Beginner's XVII- the scum won because no town was around at day end to vote them.  You have to be impartial- follow the rules you set down.

That said, needing three out of four people for an extension seems excessive- that's why I go with 33% in my games.

[IronyOwl]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Can't believe I actually wriggled out of that. Bussing scumbuddies remains my critical weakness for some reason, but this is a good example of why you should never give up, ever, for any reason.

I do feel bad whenever someone gets punished for not taking the obvious, simple answer though, so my condolences to Jokerman. Did the NK help with your decision?

Who would you have killed if the game had gone to night?

Jokerman. "Yeah, it's clearly Toaster. Think carefully because it's lylo, vadia."

Also vadia, you said way earlier that you wanted to know why scum had chosen Zathras for the N1 kill. The answer is simple- he's a very good player, so we wanted him gone.

Very interesting playing a sorcerer's apprentice game with so few sorcerers: Zathras N1, Dariush D2, NF N2, and Kamina never did anything.

Even though it didn't work, I'm still very proud of my attack on Jim for obviously having the Dariush thing set up. Sure, I could have just poked away at a lurker or something, but this took style.

[IronyOwl]

What the hell, seriously. Nobody believed me just because I don't know the meta for the spells' power... That's simply unfair.

Must... not... strangle... own dark master....