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[Alexhans]

You highly underestimate the power of advanced heuristic search algorithms and the willingness of the political class to oppress American citizens.

Hilariously siggable.

[Zrk2]

You highly underestimate the power of advanced heuristic search algorithms and the willingness of the political class to oppress American citizens.

Hilariously siggable.

I am.

[Duke 2.0]

 You forgot the word American in there. Be sure to remove that for accuracy.

[de5me7]

i would be suprised if the US authorities attempted to track every call, or even many

but these guys tried

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

[Sheb]

It's easier when most of your population don't own a phone.

[DJ]

To be fair computers can do the bulk of work by looking for certain keywords and then humans can review the shortlist.

This is why I advocate answering the phone with "Bomb" instead of "Hello".

[Eugenitor]

They can't possibly be searching for that word, at least not in English. Too many innocent conversations and the syllable shows up in more words than just the one.

Answer in Arabic instead.

[RedKing]

Don't think this guy is Tea Party. He's even nuttier than they are. We're talking Time Cube nutty.

Been busy as shit the last couple hours as the Bureau responds to this, even though FBI has lead. At this point, the toll appears to be six dead, 18 wounded. Congresswoman Giffords is amazingly alive, but still in critical condition. Shooter is in custody. No real details yet as to motive or weapon, other than it being a semiautomatic.

Possible indications that the Congresswoman was not the main target, although that's still speculative.


EDIT: Between this and the incendiaries in DC/Maryland, it's been a hell of a few days. Little too much 1995 deja vu for me.

Just out of curiousity RedKing, you work for the Fed?

On topic, I'm just not going to say anything on the politics right now. Still trying to digest all this. There was a shooting not two days ago in Omaha, next town over from me. The incendiary packages and such on top of that....

Yeah, it's feeling like the mid 90s again. I will say I hope this makes everyone reconsider bringing their civilian AR to political rallies. Somehow, I kind of doubt it though. It'll probably have the opposite effect.

ATF, although I'm a contractor not a Federal employee. And as such, I'm not going to touch a gun-rights debate nor an intelligence technology debate, because I have both a vested interest and because I do not wish my comments to be construed as being in any way official policy.

(And because both topics are done to death and tend to bring out the nutty in people...)


And I'm with Aqizzar on being stumped trying to feel out this guy's psyche. I'm usually pretty good at being able to understand another's worldview, even warped and irrational ones. But this guy isn't even internally consistent with his logic, and doesn't seem to have any strong ideology to explain the inconsistencies. He's just flat-out not wired right. Schizophrenic behavior, to say the least.

[alway]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40996934/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
Going by that article, one would think this guy was giggling incoherently more than the joker. 

[Grakelin]

And I'm with Aqizzar on being stumped trying to feel out this guy's psyche. I'm usually pretty good at being able to understand another's worldview, even warped and irrational ones. But this guy isn't even internally consistent with his logic, and doesn't seem to have any strong ideology to explain the inconsistencies. He's just flat-out not wired right. Schizophrenic behavior, to say the least.

I thought his worldview was pretty clear, actually. Here, I'll lay it out for you:

If the guy shot Giffords, he's a right wing terrorist.

He shot Giffords.

Therefore, he's a right wing terrorist.

There you have it. The guy pretty much just jerks off about how much smarter he is than everybody else, showing off his 'philosophies' to anybody who will listen. He's probably pro-anarchist for reasons he can't actually explain. He probably reads a lot of Nietzche or Rand, too, following their teachings to the letter. I knew a lot of people like this in high school. I guess some of them just don't grow out of it.

[Phmcw]

Stallman's view on the matter, for anyone interested. As usual, I pretty much agree with him :
It's pretty ironic that "conspiracits" get all worked up on theories of mind controls, murderous liberal and other ET when actual secret trade treaties are pushed in almost plain sight (we have to thank wikileak for leaking ACTA's content.)

# 10 January 2011 (Gabrielle Giffords shooting)

The US right-wing's murderous rhetoric has burst out in actual murder.

If we don't make them regret talking that way, they will take their intimidation to Pakistan's level. They have already done this by attacking doctors that perform abortions. Women who need a late-term abortion to save their lives now have only one place left in the US to get one, after the other provider was murdered. The ironic thing is that the US government does regularly engage in conspiracies to harm most Americans. The US government conspired with PayPal, MasterCard and Amazon to hurt Wikileaks. Obama is now pushing for three different "Free Trade" Agreements, which which will increase the power of the business over society. Each of them is a conspiracy; ACTA was written by a secret conspiracy that included business interests. But the right-wing lunatics are manipulated by the money of those same businesses, so they ignore these real conspiracies, and direct their ire solely at imaginary conspiracies that can be blamed on "Liberals".

[mainiac]

I thought his worldview was pretty clear, actually. Here, I'll lay it out for you:

If the guy shot Giffords, he's a right wing terrorist.

He shot Giffords.

Therefore, he's a right wing terrorist.

The assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, Lincoln, etc. were all conducted by people who were crazy to some degree or others.  But every one of these men only conducted their assassinations because they lived in a country where people regularly went around saying "Evil tyrants, evil tyrants!  They must be stopped!"  If everyone had used the kind of rhetoric about about them that they used about their political opponents, they'd never had been shot.  Crazy people have messed up motives but they still do things for a reason.  The reason here is because liberals are routinely called traitors in this country.

[Alexhans]

To be fair computers can do the bulk of work by looking for certain keywords and then humans can review the shortlist.

This is why I advocate answering the phone with "Bomb" instead of "Hello".

The thing is... A smart terrorist would know better than to say bomb... He would probably use keywords.

And I'm with Aqizzar on being stumped trying to feel out this guy's psyche. I'm usually pretty good at being able to understand another's worldview, even warped and irrational ones. But this guy isn't even internally consistent with his logic, and doesn't seem to have any strong ideology to explain the inconsistencies. He's just flat-out not wired right. Schizophrenic behavior, to say the least.

What I still can't figure out is if he believes what he says or if many of it is just a "clever" way of proving some of his manipulation theories.

I'd really like to see some video footage of the guy.  I want to see how he really speaks and what's his body language like.

EDIT: sigh... I'd love to have qualified people analyze his mind/motives instead of every other sensationalist/partisan outlet throwing crap one way or another.

[Grakelin]

If liberals are traitors, then mainiac hates his country.

Liberals are traitors.

Therefore, mainiac hates his country.


No wonder he's so quick to bring up the the partially-unsolved assassinations of our past. Hmmmm...

He's quick to bring up partially-unsolved assassination.

Therefore, mainiac is an assassin.

Therefore, mainiac killed JFK, RFK, MLK, Lincoln, etc.



That's the gist of Laughner's worldview. Also, his videos remind me of Armok a bit.

One thing I am confused about, mainiac: Laughner is 22 years old, a regular pot-smoker, and a (in this case, pseudo-)intellectual living in a middle class neighborhood. His demographic is targeted by programming such as the 'Daily Show', implying that he would be more likely to be hit by Left-Wing agendas as Right-Wing agendas. We know he was rejected from the military, and that he resented what he perceived as them forcing their religion on him. Why, then, would he choose to heed the words of Christian, Right-Wing lobbyists, by shooting Giffords, instead of heeding the words of Agnostic, Left-Wing comedians by shooting a Republican?

[Grakelin]

It's true that stupid people will immediately buckle to whoever is most charismatic (I had a friend who would alternate between loving Obama and absolutely despising Obama when I was in Grade 12), I don't think Laughner was stupid in the way that he was weak-willed. He may be easily malleable, unable to really understand politics, but he also has his own ideology and worldview. The youTube videos don't square up with him wanting to kill a Democrat.