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Author Topic: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)  (Read 439968 times)

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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #885 on: July 19, 2011, 11:22:13 pm »

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From analysis of the series, if Celestia is good, then she can either see the full future but cannot alter it, or she can partially see the future and can alter it.
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #886 on: July 19, 2011, 11:45:40 pm »

Maybe he sees her as some sort of omniscient god figure?

I think she's just supposed to be a wise/powerful ruler without any real flaws. Which of course is why fanfiction loves to turn her evil or incompetent.
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #887 on: July 19, 2011, 11:49:54 pm »

Okay. Starting with Twilight's origin/cutie mark story, we know that the test for the exceptional unicorn school requires hatching a dragon egg. We also know that not even Twilight, who has been revealed as one of, if not the, most powerful unicorn, in regards to magic, is unable to do it without another event causing it.

If Twilight was, in fact, less able, and in fact dragons are easily hatched by unicorns, we have the problem of why Twilight was unable (being a fairly well educated little mage). We also have the problem of the large amounts of dragons this would mean. If we can presume that the dragons would only be in Canterlot, why would these unicorns not also have done great works, and thus been invited to the Galloping Gala? We have the Wonderbolts there, and surely if a unicorn was anywhere near as powerful as Twilight, they would be at least as famous as the Wonderbolts. We can excuse this for Twilight, as she is still a student (if in fact she isn't famous. She has, for example, saved a village from an Ursa Minor, an incredible achievement.) and so may would still be in training most of the time. As well as that, we have the problem of Appleoosa not having their own 'courier' service, in the form of a unicorn bonded with a dragon. Since this is not a widely used function of the dragon, we can presume they are very rare. Instead, it would presumably be pegasi who are used as couriers.

If this is true, however, we have a few things that fit together. We know Celestia was "seeing the signs" of NMM's return. However, the only signs we know about are in a book, and in the form of a prophecy. They are not believed, nor are any signs really given as a warning. Either Celestia has access to seers, who are giving the same prophecies as they were when NMM was defeated, or she is a seer herself. Either way, we can assume that she also foresaw the sonic rainboom and the effect it would have on a unicorn who would be undergoing an entrance test.

This seer ability is also shown in A Bird in the Hoof. She sends her guards to Fluttershy's house to find Twilight. This gives evidence to the 'partial seer' explanation, as she would 'see' that Twilight would be near the birdnapper, but not who it was. Not knowing who it was, she wouldn't have instructed the guards to tell them it was a phoenix.
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #888 on: July 19, 2011, 11:58:11 pm »

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My point being, you can't get sense and realism out of everything. Espicially a show about ponies, marketed to pre-teen girls.
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #889 on: July 20, 2011, 12:12:08 am »

Yeah I don't see Celestia as being able to see into the future. Predictions, maybe. There being magic in the show, the writers could always make up a spell that gives you hints about the future, which of course she'd know how to use. But outright clairvoyance? Naw.
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #890 on: July 20, 2011, 12:16:00 am »

As I did say, she wouldn't necessarily be able to see the future with perfect clarity.
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« Reply #891 on: July 20, 2011, 12:19:51 am »

As I did say, she wouldn't necessarily be able to see the future with perfect clarity.
So basically Pinkie Pie v2?
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« Reply #892 on: July 20, 2011, 12:21:19 am »

More of a "X event is going to happen at Y time, but what causes it and what it will do I dunno."
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #893 on: July 20, 2011, 12:23:06 am »

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I didn't know a full one existed.

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« Reply #894 on: July 20, 2011, 12:28:37 am »

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I didn't know a full one existed.
Good thing you have me then.
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #895 on: July 20, 2011, 12:28:51 am »

I can tell the Halo one. What are the others from?
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #896 on: July 20, 2011, 12:29:47 am »

I can tell the Halo one. What are the others from?
Far left, behind Twilight, is Isaac Clarke from Dead Space. I don't know the other two either.
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« Reply #897 on: July 20, 2011, 12:30:23 am »

I can tell the Halo one. What are the others from?
Well, if you mean the characters, left to right it is Isaac Clarke (Dead Space), Twilight Sparkle (take a guess), Master Chief, Arbiter, and Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)

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« Reply #898 on: July 20, 2011, 12:33:45 am »

Um... Is Twilight Sparkle from that book series by Stephanie Meyer? The one about vampires?
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Re: When did ponies become awesome? What else have I missed? (take 2)
« Reply #899 on: July 20, 2011, 12:35:03 am »

Um... Is Twilight Sparkle from that book series by Stephanie Meyer? The one about vampires?
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