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[MadBoat]

I remember the last time I played df for any length, if you had a sedimentary layer, you were golden as far as flux is concerned. So all I did at embark was check for a sedimentary stone (mudstone? good enough!). But today, in my third year, I started my metalworking industry, and was dismayed to find I couldn't make steel! acres of iron ores, plenty of coal, but not a flux stone in sight. so I told my miners to start looking for some. I dug a few exploration tunnels in the sedimentary layer and found none. I figure it would be very hard to miss an entire layer of stone, so I started looking for marble down in the metamorphic layer. Lucky for me, the 2nd and 3rd cavern levels are in the metamorphic layer, so I got a very complete picture of all the stone on several Z levels. There is no marble. Did find adamantium though (gonna save it for the weapons )

Immediately after the third cavern level is the magma sea, and I'm afraid to dig any deeper than that. Should I keep looking for flux, or resign myself to the use of bronze and iron?

[Lord Snow]

give up, import chalk, dolomite, limestone and marble (and/or complete steel/pig iron).

Better than ruining your whole design looking for something thats not there (mudstone is a mudstone layer, chalk, dolomite, limestone and marble form their own layers rather than appear as clusters/veins etc)

[Urist Imiknorris]

Well, you have adamantine. Use it for armor and use silver war hammers. Problem avoided.

[LealNightrunner]

If you're not opposed to cheating, you can use DFHack's reveal to find it, or in possibly less cheaty ways, you can just use prospector to verify that you at least have some flux out there, before you go mad trying to find the flux in the stonestack.

[MadBoat]

I'm not sure if I have enough. You need a lot more material for armor than for weapons. How much would I need to, say, outfit an army of 20 dwarves in adamantine armor?

[Urist Imiknorris]

100 pieces:
20 mail shirts/breastplates (I personally use mail shirts)
20 pairs of greaves
20 helms
20 pairs of gauntlets
20 pairs of high/low boots(preferably high)

Also needed:
20 shields (material doesn't matter much/at all for shields)
20 weapons

[Zrk2]

70x3=210 pieces. Good luck.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Where do you get the 70? Or the 3?

[LealNightrunner]

20 shields (material doesn't matter much/at all for shields)

Damage when attacking is all it really affects, and since it's a blunt/smashing attack, spoilertine is among the worst materials for a shield.

[gtmattz]

There has never been a situation where simply embarking on any generic sedimentary layer guaranteed flux stone.  It just happens that 3 of the 4 major flux stones happen to also be sedimentary layer stones (the 5th being a small cluster stone which only appears in the 4 flux layer stones, so not really worth mention).  What you need to do is simply memorize the stone names (chalk, limestone, dolomite) and be a little more thorough when choosing an embark.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Actually, calcite doesn't appear in one of the sedimentary flux layers. I believe it's dolomite.

EDIT: Actually, it only occurs in limestone and marble.

[Psychobones]

Where do you get the 70? Or the 3?

Maxing out a dwarf's armor on chest alone is 2 mail shirts and a breast plate.

[shlorf]

Dwarfs can do great things in iron armor and even with plain iron weapons. Dodge > armor anyways. And usually if a good dwarf dies it's not from a lack of armor but rather from being hit in the face.

[MadBoat]

murh? your math suggests that high boots (and gauntlets) are made in pairs...? I always thought they were made one at a time. hence everyone bitching about artifact boots not having a mate.

I was also under the impression that body armor took more material than the other armor pieces (2 for chain shirts, 3 for plate). has todey changed this, or is adamantium an exception to that rule?

[CarbonNitride]

Artifact boots are made individually, otherwise boots and gauntlets are made in pairs.