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Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« on: January 05, 2011, 01:00:12 pm »

Search turned up nothing, and I'm a bit surprised this hasn't been posted. Anyways...

Captain Owen Honors, formerly the captain of the carrier USS Enterprise, was relieved of command yesterday, following the publication of a serious of lewd and inappropriate videos produced by him. Here's a news link.

I'll agree that videotaping stuff like that shows a massive lack of the professionalism required for such a high position, but the big question is probably why the Navy hasn't done anything about it until it showed up in a large newspaper. The videos were made several years ago, when Honors was Executive Officer of the Enterprise, and the Navy was aware of it, and the complaints about it, but the Navy simply ignored it.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 01:01:07 pm »

Goddamn it, I thought this was going to be about Patrick Stuart not playing Picard anymore.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 01:03:13 pm »

I for one appreciate that your countries military leaders are people too.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 01:07:38 pm »

I think someone wanted him gone from his position for whatever reason, so they broke this to the press to have an excuse to get rid of such a high-ranking individual without suspicion.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 01:17:30 pm »

Its probably cause noone that received the complaints cared enough to do something about it while it stayed out of the media.  The captain obviously did a good enough job running his boat / keeping other things on the downlow despite the video complaints to not be smacked for the video.
Want Captain Videos out of his position?  Bring that into light and move him elsewhere over that.

Heck, if I was one of those people making decisions over in the military, I would not mind the 'unprofessional' quirks of my officers as long as they did their job and did it right.  That is, right up until civilian media starts gawking over it and putting things into question. 
Reassign him... whatever.  Wherever that is out of the light.

Didn't the start of the video or something say it was going to be offensive to someone?  Like a disclaimer notice?
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 01:19:47 pm »

Meh, it's the government/military. As long as most people don't know what you did, you don't get punished. The moment it becomes a media item, you're toast.

Not that I am in any way condoning CPT Honors' conduct, but there are far more egregious actions that have gone unpunished, simply because they're not a big story.

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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 01:59:20 pm »

I thought it had to do with Picard getting removed. This is dissappointing.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 07:41:39 pm »

Heck, if I was one of those people making decisions over in the military, I would not mind the 'unprofessional' quirks of my officers as long as they did their job and did it right.  That is, right up until civilian media starts gawking over it and putting things into question. 
Reassign him... whatever.  Wherever that is out of the light.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 07:53:47 pm »

I for one appreciate that your countries military leaders are people too.

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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 11:52:33 pm »

Heck, if I was one of those people making decisions over in the military, I would not mind the 'unprofessional' quirks of my officers as long as they did their job and did it right.  That is, right up until civilian media starts gawking over it and putting things into question. 
Reassign him... whatever.  Wherever that is out of the light.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 03:46:47 am »

A kooky video of your commanding officer fishing a chocolate bar out of the toilet and eating it, then broadcasting it to the entire ship?...  That's pretty bad.

But the sexism and gay slurs repeated over and over again in the film... that's no okay for a commanding officer.

I'm quite glad they removed him, but I agree with the earlier point - he should have been removed sometime in the large gulf of time between when his superiors learned about this and when the media finally found out about it.

It seems to show a lack of decent judgment that goes all the way to the top.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 07:39:51 am »

So in short:
Having a really drunk General commanding Union forces and even encouraging his behavior by sending the same brand of alcohol to other Union generals is ok.

Having a homophobe who makes crazy anti-gay videos and showing it around isn't.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 07:42:14 am »

 It's the Union, to not share alcohol with your subordinates is the same as making a video showing various anti-say slurs on a modern ship.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 10:35:25 am »

The overriding issue here is Good Of The Navy. Kicking him out prior to this would hav necessitated cause, which would have necessitated publicizing knowledge of the videos. I'm certain that he got the hammer dropped on him, and he was probably saddled with reports that would kill his career.
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Re: Captain of Enterprise relieved from command
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 11:10:39 am »

So in short:
Having a really drunk General commanding Union forces and even encouraging his behavior by sending the same brand of alcohol to other Union generals is ok.

Having a homophobe who makes crazy anti-gay videos and showing it around isn't.

Grant has been pretty close to be fired himself. Beside if your standard for officer date from the secession war, you may have a problem.
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