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Re: Revolt in tunisia
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2011, 04:00:19 am »

I love how that letter is written as if it were serious but completely defused by that huge clipart of a pirate ship.
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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2011, 06:22:41 am »

This was made more serious by being the front-page of the Tunisian government website for a while during the riot.
Look like those anonymous can do better than ddos.
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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2011, 07:54:07 am »

I'm more than willing to bet that almost nobody at the Pirate Bay or 4chan had ever heard of Tunisia before a couple days before the government collapsed anyway.  Writing ominous letters and screwing with government public-relations websites does not a revolutionary movement constitute.
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Re: Revolt in tunisia
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2011, 07:59:27 am »

Well, the media here reported that they supplied help in communication, spread the wikileak document that surfaced here a few post ago, and generally have been a huge pain in the ass for Tunisian censorship.
Even moderately skilled hackers could be of huge help in a fight against censorship, and a few member of anonymous are more than moderately skilled. Also they doesn't post on 4chan anymore.
For the pirate Bay, you're plain wrong : they have a small sized political movement in Sweden, and a huge sympathy from the public everywhere in Europe, don't mistake them with 4chan.

Edit: Actually the pirate party have branch in a whole bunch of countries in the world and a few elected officials in few of them.

Edit: interesting : http://www.rue89.com/2011/01/16/larmee-ne-tire-pas-lhomme-fort-de-la-tunisie-est-general-185923
Summary : the army refused to fire on the civilian, and thus forced the departure of Ben Ali. The army is presented as independent and near of the poeple (due to obligatory military service) but the police (10% of the population) was with Ben Ali.
No one know who are the pillager (civilian or police agitators), my bet is on both with the most infamous incident coming from the police .

A link on the involvement from Anonymous in the revolution : http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012313297-operation-tunisia-la-cyberattaque-d-anonymous-aux-cotes-des-manifestants-tunisiens
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12110892 in English this time.

EDIT : Ok, here are the anonymous behind these operations : http://www.anonops.ru/
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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2011, 09:14:03 am »

From what that said, the police outnumber the army 4 to 1.  The dictator having left, is there still a conflict or is it basically over?  If it isn't then those police forces will probably pose a major threat, even if many jump ship.
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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2011, 09:38:54 am »

There is still a conflict, but as the chief of the security has been arrested, it may be over soon.
Beside, Tunisian from the diaspora are going back home. That may help with the democratic process.

Edit : a nephew of Ben Ali has just been arrested along ten other poeple for "firring indiscriminately at everyone that moved from a police vehicle". I guess that answer your question. http://www.leparisien.fr/crise-tunisie/en-direct-tunisie-l-ex-chef-de-la-securite-et-un-neveu-de-ben-ali-arretes-16-01-2011-1229407.php
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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2011, 09:43:24 am »

Those news really made my day. Is there any news from Algeria? It'd be nice to have one more arabs dictatorship collapse.
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Re: Revolt in tunisia
« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2011, 10:07:49 am »

Those news really made my day. Is there any news from Algeria? It'd be nice to have one more arabs dictatorship collapse.

Just because one dictatorship collapses doesn't mean that another won't take its place.  I'd say that's quite likely.
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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2011, 12:42:28 pm »

I'm more than willing to bet that almost nobody at the Pirate Bay or 4chan had ever heard of Tunisia before a couple days before the government collapsed anyway.  Writing ominous letters and screwing with government public-relations websites does not a revolutionary movement constitute.

Thanks Yoda.

Those news really made my day. Is there any news from Algeria? It'd be nice to have one more arabs dictatorship collapse.


What is this? The Truman Doctrine in Africa? Oh dear...

Yeah, the glorified riots appear to have achieved something. The president fled to Saudi Arabia, and an interim government is being formed.
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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2011, 06:52:37 pm »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/16/tunisia-protests-suicide-algeria-arab
Trueman doctrine indeed. And if we got the Idea, something tell me that Morocco, Algeria and Egypt got it too.
Egypt already warned that they wouldn't tolerate "any occidental inference" in Tunisia, but the Tunisian asked for international scrutiny of theirs elections.
Things are interesting, as always.

Edit: The live stream of news of the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/17/tunisia-live-updates
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« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2011, 12:47:59 pm »


Those news really made my day. Is there any news from Algeria? It'd be nice to have one more arabs dictatorship collapse.

What is this? The Truman Doctrine in Africa? Oh dear...


What? I should be sad for the poor president who is now jobless?
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« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2011, 07:27:54 am »

No, he just imply that the Truman Doctrine doesn't work.
I'd agree with him, but I don't think the neighboring dictators will take the risk.
Beside they are linked. Here's an article on the matter : http://www.rue89.com/2011/01/18/apres-la-revolution-tunisienne-la-rue-arabe-alarme-le-pouvoir-186122

The Tunisians are rejecting the transition government by the way.

Edit : and a fresh source for the last statement. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12216243
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« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2011, 08:55:25 am »

I definitely underestimated the situation in Tunisia. Now I'm wondering if 2011 will be the Arab world's 1848?

Will be watching Egypt very carefully.
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« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2011, 12:05:15 pm »

Wow. I just learned the Michèlle Alliot-Marie, the French's foreign minister, went in front of the parliament one week ago to propose sending policemen to help Ben Ali end the unrests.

I wonder how the French government will manage that.
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« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2011, 12:17:24 pm »

Oh wow, now that is how you diplomatically step in it.
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