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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #300 on: January 06, 2011, 03:49:48 pm »

I've been around for about a year and a half, so I don't consider myself "new" anymore.

Huh, I thought you were a lot newer than that.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #301 on: January 06, 2011, 03:50:01 pm »

I don't think I've ever seen a community where the IRC and forum groups are one and the same.  Yes, people get into one and then migrate into the other, and occasionally whine about their first stopping point, but it's a matter of very personal preference.  I don't think it has much to do with an overall forum trend, especially since these migrations go both ways simultaneously.

I'm not saying the new people need to leave.  I'm just saying it'd be nice if they toned it down a bit.

To be frank, I don't think you're quite one to talk. Or perhaps your post serves as an example of the cyclical supposed "golden age" thinking.
I don't even know who 3 is, or why he(?) is being so rude.  It's not a username I recognize, and I sure do recognize Vector as levelheaded.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #302 on: January 06, 2011, 03:56:56 pm »

(@Vector)While you may not be relatively new, there are still a fair few people around (primarily on IRC, as mentioned previously), who joined far earlier (2007 seems to be a large step-up from previous years in terms of numbers of users). It's not a matter of being "new" or "not new" as much as it's a matter of a "generation gap" of sorts. Most people who joined a year ago appear as part of the issue to those who joined in previous years, as much as those who joined in those years appear as symptoms of a decline to those in further years, etc..

From what I've seen here and elsewhere, the likelyhood/magnitude of this increases exponentially as places get larger, if only because there are an everlarger number of posts made that simply involve people complaining.

I don't even know who 3 is, or why he(?) is being so rude.

This I am quite proud of.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #303 on: January 06, 2011, 04:00:43 pm »

I don't even know who 3 is, or why he(?) is being so rude.

This I am quite proud of.

Now, see, this is what I have a problem with.  I've seen a couple people say outright that it's the internet, they come here specifically intending to be rude and start fights.  I don't know why people would even say that.  That's the kind of behavior I take issue with, instead of the silliness.  It's certainly nothing to be proud of.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #304 on: January 06, 2011, 04:06:29 pm »

I think you misunderstand. I am proud of not having any investment or emotional involvement with this place besides that which making posts and deluding myself that my voice is heard involves. I am basically an anonym, and the fact that being here means very little to me allows me to feel that I can act quite freely.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #305 on: January 06, 2011, 04:09:50 pm »

Huh.  Okay, point taken, but is a lack of emotional involvement in the place you hang out actually a good thing for that place?

...I guess if you're not emotionally involved it doesn't matter though.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #306 on: January 06, 2011, 04:10:38 pm »

I think you misunderstand. I am proud of not having any investment or emotional involvement with this place besides that which making posts and deluding myself that my voice is heard involves. I am basically an anonym, and the fact that being here means very little to me allows me to feel that I can act quite freely.
Is anyone else getting the "Bay12 will hypnotize you if you get too into it" vibe besides me?
Anyway, I will watch this thread and jump in with an argument when the time is needed.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #307 on: January 06, 2011, 04:16:36 pm »

I've been around for about a year and a half, so I don't consider myself "new" anymore.

Huh, I thought you were a lot newer than that.

Registered Jan. 2009 and lurked for half a year.  Then I was largely in the Mafia boards before I migrated up here a little bit less than a year ago.


(@Vector)While you may not be relatively new, there are still a fair few people around (primarily on IRC, as mentioned previously), who joined far earlier (2007 seems to be a large step-up from previous years in terms of numbers of users). It's not a matter of being "new" or "not new" as much as it's a matter of a "generation gap" of sorts. Most people who joined a year ago appear as part of the issue to those who joined in previous years, as much as those who joined in those years appear as symptoms of a decline to those in further years, etc..

From what I've seen here and elsewhere, the likelyhood/magnitude of this increases exponentially as places get larger, if only because there are an everlarger number of posts made that simply involve people complaining.

I don't even know who 3 is, or why he(?) is being so rude.

This I am quite proud of.

Eh, I remember you.

As far as the other stuff goes, one of the reasons why I spent such a long time lurking was in an effort to get a picture of the forums and how I should comport myself.

Remember the "blog" threads we used to have about individual forum members' daily lives, and how those are gone now?  Remember the weird posts we used to have in Life Advice that really had nothing to do with life advice at all, and the strange off-topicness?  I seem to remember far more attempts to incite people "way back when"--I looked over a friend's shoulder at some threads in 2008.

I even remember a thread in Life Advice about some guy trying to get a girl to wear a collar that went on for some 15 nasty pages and traveled extensively into personal fetishes before being locked.  That was back when Sofia was Sniper Joe.

I remember reading the first couple posts of the Happy Thread, back when it started, and I remember how the Angry thread went down due to complaining about other forum members in it.

I remember back when the Sad Thread was kind of emotionally devoid, we didn't talk about anything that actually bothered us, and we didn't support other members who posted about things that were ripping them apart, preferring instead to comfortably ignore them until they got with the program.  There was a brief period where it was kind of wanky, to be true, but it's improved a lot recently and now seems to be fairly balanced.

I remember that we used to have more female members masquerading as male, and now we've had the first female member (other than myself) to post her picture in the photo thread (I don't know about Mishy, whose gender seemed kind of dubious at times).

Things have definitely changed for the better within the past two years.


I think we've gotten a lot more chill since then, and in many ways less self-centered.  Right now, we're spammy and kind of sexist (in Life Advice, anyhow, but that was probably always there).  This too shall pass, so long as we make a concerted effort.  I don't think there was any particular golden age.  I think there was a time I enjoyed being here more, and a time between bouts of severe weirdness.  We've matured a lot, in so many ways.  It's time to mature again.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #308 on: January 06, 2011, 04:19:59 pm »

I think we've gotten a lot more chill since then
This is a total definite in my opinion.  Damn chill son.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #309 on: January 06, 2011, 04:23:09 pm »


That's certainly a sensible way to do things. Watching and waiting as opposed to jumping right in, I mean. And looking at the state of things in an objective sense is also sensible. But that doesn't change the fact that as long as there's contrast in content - remember the posts (were they in the sad thread? I can't remember) complaining about the apparent mathi-ness of the then-current discussions? - people will always feel that things are moving in the wrong direction.

People will always affect people, and in turn affect entire communities. Alternatively, there's no such thing as "devolution".
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #310 on: January 06, 2011, 04:27:36 pm »

You know...Actually thinking about my past experiences in GD, that is kind of true.  I got scared off of VN and early GD, but I think it's a pretty nice place these days.  So it seems like it's been getting better, not worse, over the last what 3-4 years in my opinion.

Mind I wasn't always an active contributor, but still.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #311 on: January 06, 2011, 04:38:13 pm »

Yeah, but I think they were mostly complaining about my talking about nothing but math, which was indeed a problem everyone I knew was having with me at that point.

I paid attention to what was annoying folks and altered my behavior.  Now things are at a level which has balanced out pleasantly: I still talk about math some, but I don't talk about it all the time.  Now everyone, both math-people and not-so-math people, can discuss what they wish and get along, and the forums as a whole are only a little bit more mathematical.

It probably helps that we have a dedicated math thread now, which can be dredged up from the abyss as necessary.


I think I'm just asking other people for the same courtesy.  I'm not saying "Stop talking about ___ forever :I"  I'm just saying that there's balance which we can all try to observe in an effort to get along, and we can try to phase out this "us or them" mentality.

The Double-Down Man meme was funny and involved a lot of images, for example, but they were largely attached to descriptions of various sorts that made them even more amusing.  Similar with the brief "typewriter porn" discussion.  We didn't just post a bunch of photos of typewriters, we talked about them.  Erm... that was a bit of a weird conversation, and perhaps not the best example, but there you have it.  It was close to the line, but it kept its restraint and didn't wind up with any issues.

Plus, we used to be more careful about spoilering our images... I think there's some little things we can do to improve the quality of our discussions, without alienating anyone who wouldn't be far happier on an actual imageboard.  We can try harder not to derail dedicated threads and avoid duplication, and get better about sending PMs to people who are doing unchill things.  Really, I don't think we've gone too far down the tubes.  There's a number of easy fixes available.


I still like this forum far better than any other I've ever been to, but I think there's a few steps we can take to make this place even more pleasant for everyone.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #312 on: January 06, 2011, 05:25:27 pm »

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Similar with the brief "typewriter porn" discussion.  We didn't just post a bunch of photos of typewriters, we talked about them. Erm... that was a bit of a weird conversation.

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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #313 on: January 06, 2011, 05:41:58 pm »

My favorite thread in the GD board is the anime thread.  Never die on me.
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Re: Regarding the state of the forums.
« Reply #314 on: January 06, 2011, 05:44:34 pm »

My favorite thread in the GD board is the anime thread.  Never die on me.

Not the MSPA thread?
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