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Author Topic: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.  (Read 1280 times)

sicksock

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Ok so my dwarves keep getting themselves killed. No surprises there.

Basically I have a heap of goblin crossbowmen outside my wall. An appartment building next to my wall with an up/down stairway which leads onto my walls where the crossbowmen mow them down.

The issue I have is that no matter what I do I cannot stop my dwarves from going onto the wall and being target practice.
The walls are not part of the burrow they are in - Check
All the items on the walls are forbiddeb - Check
All my dwarves have EVERY hauling labor turned off - Check
All new death items are automatically forbidden - Check

Despite this my dwarves just run up there with jobs like "no job" and "sleep"

Seriously most of them are just useless bonepiles but I just dont have the cemetery space for this.

Does anyone know anything I've overlooked or a perfect way to stop them from going there?
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 10:47:40 pm »

Did you change the alert level so that they stay inside?
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 10:50:15 pm »

Have you tried building a door there and locking it, or walling off that section, or dismantling the staircase?

Edit: So you want them to be able to use the wall, just not right now?

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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 11:01:25 pm »

Did you change the alert level so that they stay inside?
Yes, civilians are assigned to burrow 3.

Have you tried building a door there and locking it, or walling off that section, or dismantling the staircase?

Edit: So you want them to be able to use the wall, just not right now?
No. I have no spare doors at the time of the save. Ill try building a wall (dwarves dont like walking over scheduled constructions), and dismantling the staircase caused more problems due to dwarves going upstairs (even though only the lower ones were scheduled for removal)

Yes I eventuall want the wall to be usable by my crossbowdwaves.
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 12:01:49 am »

With Burrows - dwarves check to see if there is a job they can do that is inside the burrow.  If there is, they'll do it.  However, if to get to that job, they need to path outside the burrow, they will.

Chances are, your dwarves are on their way from someplace in the burrow, to someplace else in the burrow, and the shooting gallery is the quickest way there.

Try changing it and areas near to it to restricted traffic setting.

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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 01:00:09 am »

Just did that and it works. Who knew that they are fine leaving the burrow to get somewhere but will stubbornly starve/dehydrate rather than leave to get food
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 01:24:12 am »

They were probably looking for socks.
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 06:21:55 am »

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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 06:33:10 am »

Dummy Dwarves. Hmm. Buildable like an archery target only for the enemy to waste their projectiles on? :P
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 06:40:41 am »

i just had a siege.
and all dwarves ran out to collect the severed limbs of the enemies.
i need about twenty coffins now>:C
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 07:34:36 am »

I just had three dwarves and a baby having a break outside of my fortress when two sieges appeared. I ordered everyone to get inside but they just stood there.





So I walled them out. Nobody loved them anyway (except for the married woman with the baby).
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 09:23:34 am »

I just had three dwarves and a baby having a break outside of my fortress when two sieges appeared. I ordered everyone to get inside but they just stood there.





So I walled them out. Nobody loved them anyway (except for the married woman with the baby).

I've found that dwarves that are outside when a 'dwarves stay inside' order is given (40d) will simply freeze unless there is an active meeting area underground.  (I have my meeting areas out-of-doors to prevent cave adaptation).  I have to deactivate the outdoors meeting area and activate the indoor one when sieged.

I suspect your dwarves froze for similar reasons.  You probably did the right thing anyway, though.
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 10:11:51 am »

My dwarves seem to only decide to clean when there's a battle raging.  And they'll only clean the area where combat is actually occuring.
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 10:29:15 am »

My issue is that I have children who constantly run out the front door of my fortress because their parent is in a bedroom and they ABSOLUTELY MUST STAND OUTSIDE TO BE NEAR THEM.

This results in a lot of kidnappings.  Given the insanely long route they have to walk to get there (I have a long, moated killzone for my ballistae) I'm doubting that restricting the outside will stop them from deciding that standing outside is the best way to be near their parents.  Is there any other way to contain children?
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Re: Don't you hate it when your dwarves go where you dont want them to.
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 11:18:29 am »

if only we could assign war dogs to children
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