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Author Topic: The God Particle and it's removal  (Read 3121 times)

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The God Particle and it's removal
« on: January 04, 2011, 09:51:11 pm »

As we all know, CERN and pretty much the whole of the scientific community have been on the Higgs Boson, which theoretically gives mass to all particles. I think, that in theory, if you could remove the Higgs Boson, from say, a space ships atoms, you could remove it's mass and be able to achieve the Speed of Light. Einsteins equation states that anything with mass cannot achieve the Speed of Light(I think?). This one in question wouldn't have any.

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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 09:52:47 pm »

i needed to post this:

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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 10:00:45 pm »

As we all know, CERN and pretty much the whole of the scientific community have been on the Higgs Boson, which theoretically gives mass to all particles. I think, that in theory, if you could remove the Higgs Boson, from say, a space ships atoms, you could remove it's mass and be able to achieve the Speed of Light. Einsteins equation states that anything with mass cannot achieve the Speed of Light(I think?). This one in question wouldn't have any.

I vaguely remember a physicist saying exactly that (maybe he was a guest on the Colbert Report?). Of course there is still the problem of putting the higgs boson particles back in when you get wherever you were going (can you take them with you? that wouldn't seem plausable). I also wonder if the rest of the atomic reactions would work the same without the higgs boson - that seems like removing them might just disintegrate a person.

Though if we get all the kinks worked out, imagine teleportation star-trek style! Beam me up.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 10:05:40 pm »

There is also the question of HOW to remove them. Simply finding them won't change much right away, we still won't know how to interact with them if they exist.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 10:05:58 pm »

As we all know, CERN and pretty much the whole of the scientific community have been on the Higgs Boson, which theoretically gives mass to all particles. I think, that in theory, if you could remove the Higgs Boson, from say, a space ships atoms, you could remove it's mass and be able to achieve the Speed of Light. Einsteins equation states that anything with mass cannot achieve the Speed of Light(I think?). This one in question wouldn't have any.

I'm pretty sure that if the Higgs Boson is responsible for mass, more things would happen than "achieving the speed of light" if you remove it from normal matter. I'd like to say that things would go catastrophically wrong in general, and pretty fast, since, you know, you'd be turning bosons into completely different bosons, and would thus wind up with completely different particles.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 10:30:32 pm »

Moving at the speed of light, as all massless particles constantly do, also renders you effectively immune to the effects of time. Or to put it another way, you aren't getting back out again once you go in and turn your spacecraft into a zero mass object.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 10:31:29 pm »

Moving at the speed of light, as all massless particles constantly do, also renders you effectively immune to the effects of time. Or to put it another way, you aren't getting back out again once you go in and turn your spacecraft into a zero mass object.
Baseless assumptions, we don't actually have a clue what would happen.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 10:34:12 pm »

I think that removing all the Higgs Bosons from something would result in an effect not unlike removing all the protons.

That said:  Apostrophe doesn't go there.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 10:36:11 pm »

That said:  Apostrophe doesn't go there.
That was bothering you too? I was resisting pointing it out.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 11:13:20 pm »

Moving at the speed of light, as all massless particles constantly do, also renders you effectively immune to the effects of time. Or to put it another way, you aren't getting back out again once you go in and turn your spacecraft into a zero mass object.
Baseless assumptions, we don't actually have a clue what would happen.

You act like knowing nothing about physics will stop people from thinking they know about things even actual physicists aren't sure of.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 11:23:52 pm »

As we all know, CERN and pretty much the whole of the scientific community have been on the Higgs Boson, which theoretically gives mass to all particles. I think, that in theory, if you could remove the Higgs Boson, from say, a space ships atoms, you could remove it's mass and be able to achieve the Speed of Light. Einsteins equation states that anything with mass cannot achieve the Speed of Light(I think?). This one in question wouldn't have any.

It dosn't give mass to all partials. The gravaton gives mass, the higgs is a partical that must exist for current equations explaining the gravaton to work, and should be a lot easyer to find then the gravaton.

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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 11:26:09 pm »

Moving at the speed of light, as all massless particles constantly do, also renders you effectively immune to the effects of time. Or to put it another way, you aren't getting back out again once you go in and turn your spacecraft into a zero mass object.
Baseless assumptions, we don't actually have a clue what would happen.

You act like knowing nothing about physics will stop people from thinking they know about things even actual physicists aren't sure of.
No that actually makes sense, you can do all of the calculations and would still get something like WTF is this? (happens to me everytime in Chemistry, ironically my teacher wasn't able to reproduce my products)

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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 01:44:47 am »

As we all know, CERN and pretty much the whole of the scientific community have been on the Higgs Boson, which theoretically gives mass to all particles. I think, that in theory, if you could remove the Higgs Boson, from say, a space ships atoms, you could remove it's mass and be able to achieve the Speed of Light. Einsteins equation states that anything with mass cannot achieve the Speed of Light(I think?). This one in question wouldn't have any.

It dosn't give mass to all partials. The gravaton gives mass, the higgs is a partical that must exist for current equations explaining the gravaton to work, and should be a lot easyer to find then the gravaton.
The graviton causes gravity. What are you talking about?
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 01:45:50 am »

No to be confused with the gravyton, which is what gives gravy its super tasty taste.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 02:22:38 am »

It dosn't give mass to all partials. The gravaton gives mass, the higgs is a partical that must exist for current equations explaining the gravaton to work, and should be a lot easyer to find then the gravaton.

You have that backwards. Way backwards. Mass causes Gravitation. The Higgs particle is not required under some hypotheses of gravitation, only under some popular, likely ones. The higgs is presumed to be a scalar particle field that imparts all other particles in the universe with mass. Objects with mass then cause gravitation.

Higgs -> Mass -> Gravity. Got it?
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