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[shadowform]

Well, I don't think that dwarven cities actually go completely kaput when you abandon now - I think the game 'resets' the zone with a same-race group, as long as you abandon during peace times...  could be worth testing.

[Ubiq]

Nearly all fantasy settings have dwarves (nearly( wiping themselves out or, more often, digging too deep.  This sort of scenario will be more interesting/rational when the dwarf civilizations are wiped out but individuals and groups can still exist and roam/settle the map.

The latter happens in Adventure Mode already. If an abandoned site has a neighboring city close at hand, inhabitants of one will move to another.

I've had humans move out of a castle into an abandoned fortress (some of the former dwarven inhabitants also remained there albeit with a different group name) and have seen dwarves move into a conquered goblin city. One of the buildings that was empty the first time I visited it even had a dwarf merchant move in and declare it a shop. He didn't bring any coins or items though so the trade screen was just empty on his side.

[sharpie]

Will you post the map?  I'd like to check this out.

[Ze Spy]

Post the save

[Gr33kjester]

Post the save

How do I do that?, sorry

[Christes]

http://dffd.wimbli.com/

That's a place to upload DF-related stuff.

[omniclasm]

On a somewhat related note...

What would be the least fortress-effecting raw change that would significantly increase chances of dwarves being extinct on world gen?

Been wanting to do a last dwarves fort, but don't feel like rolling forever for one, and don't want to give dwarves huge handicaps with raw editing.

[parlor_tricks]

This actually sounds like fun.
Could we simulate the recreation of a dwarfish civilization? Found 1 fort high up, with the hard coded waves, make sure your population reaches 150. Then abandon.

After than create a new fortress nearby and do the same. Dig, build, abandon and then see if the dwarves migrate over from the other fort as an adventurer.

I know its not like we have a real dwarfish civilization, but it could possibly lead to some sort of quasi simulation perhaps.

Vague unfinished thoughts - forgive me, I need coffee.

mmm coffeee....

[Bronimin]

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[Barakahzai]

Just as a matter of curiosity but has any Dwarven civ been destroyed BY digging too deep and releasing demons?

[Ze Spy]

Just as a matter of curiosity but has any Dwarven civ been destroyed BY digging too deep and releasing demons?

Over a million fortresses has fallen to that

[Musashi]

Just as a matter of curiosity but has any Dwarven civ been destroyed BY digging too deep and releasing demons?

Over a million fortresses has fallen to that

I believe he meant the whole of Dwarven civilization, not just individual forts. Unless you meant that if every single fort was invaded by demons, that may do the trick... personally, seeing what demons do, I'm much more surprised by the fact digging too deep doesn't eradicate about all sentient life on the planet sooner or later.

[Ze Spy]

I'm much more surprised by the fact digging too deep doesn't eradicate about all sentient life on the planet sooner or later.

Otherwise "Dig too deep" would be Number 1 on our To-do lists

[rephikul]

Could we simulate the recreation of a dwarfish civilization? Found 1 fort high up, with the hard coded waves, make sure your population reaches 150. Then abandon.

If you read the legend; after abandoning the fort everyone will scatter into the wild thus there'd be no one left in said fort.

[Lupus]

Yeah this is the perfect last dwarves scenario.  In previous versions, having no dwarf civ meant you wouldn't get migrants (Except for possibly the first wave)

If that's still true you could set up an isolated, multi-generational fort.

First two migrant waves are hard-coded, so bank on about 20 dwarves no counting births within the fortress.
Good for FPS, not so much for productivity. Haulers will be at a premium.

No, if you are on an island or in a specific age you will get no migrants, Its not hardcoded.