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Re: The economy
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2011, 04:58:54 am »

New Zealand Dwarf here.

We are in pretty decent shape. Unemployment is pretty low and job loss isn't that high. The main problem we had was that the housing market bubble burst pretty badly. No one is buying and houses are undervalued by around 50k or so, this means banks aren't loaning money (as there is no demand, however interest rates on loans and personal finances (including credit cards) dropped :) ).

 However no one is spending any money on retail items , this depression has caused quite a saving mindset (encouraged by the previous labour government). So the retail sector has been slow and many retailers have gone bankrupt or cut prices to clear stock. Apart from that the finance sector took a pretty bad beating. South Canterbury finance (a major south island company) collapsed and had to be bailed out by the government. That shook the markets but they mostly managed to recover although NZ's finance image took a hit, with our rating being downgraded. The banks are all fine, being mostly stateowned or aussie and therefore supported by their respective Governments.

The government coffers took a hit as well (having to bail out South Canterbury Finance, as well as supporting several relief efforts after minor disasters (Canterbury Earthquake and Pike River Mine) as well as spending efforts to halt depression) but they remain in good shape as the previous labour government maintained decent budget surplus through their term. The current National Government has implemented some tax cuts and instituted spending plans to guide economy.

Agriculture and Farming remain as reliable as ever although our Kiwifruit Industry took a hit from a new disease. It helps that the global price for dairy products is at an all time high and if there's one thing New Zealand does, it's dairy. It helps that new export markets are opening up in the East (China and other asian countries). Wine export however ran into troubles with a huge harvest hitting profits (as prices came down) it didn't help that wine (being a luxury item) had lowered demand.

IT Sector it probably in the best shape of all sectors being a fast growing industry in NZ, the government recently finalised details of a major rollout of Fibre to most of the country and have mostly finished signing contracts with suppliers. The major ISP Telecom may still be involved but hasn't signalled it's plan yet. Oh and a internet filter was turned on but proved to be ineffective (although most isp's are on it) it remains to be seen if it has an actual prescence on the lives of most New Zealanders and hasn't received much press.

In summary we are doing pretty well, we are lucky in that we can piggyback of Australia (who has epic mineral wealth) and china (their economy growth is doing wonders for us). Also our major exports are mostly basic items like crops and Stock and some minerals, these are things that you need to buy so remain in demand during recessions.

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Seriously, I have no idea why I just wrote this.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2011, 05:17:00 pm »

The US had a very successful bout of capitalism running from 1936 to around 1970 or so.  The great depression had taught everyone that capitalism only works when the rich and powerful have to do what the government wants and not the other way around.  The economy was stable and grew quickly while the government kept any huge distortions from cropping up to disrupt the balance.  Sadly, we forgot these lessons so we are likely to go back to the pre-1936 pattern of having a debilitating depression every 30 years or so and anemic growth in between.
This is why I hate the stupidity that is embodied in all of our politicians.

Fixed.


Basically what happened was very simple. This time period was a very profitably time to be a corrupt bureaucrat. So many were installed by the very people who were angry about all these new worker safety and child labor laws. So the corrupt both worked to reap profits as well as rollback the protective laws(it's more complicated than that, but there is the gist.). Of course, with all the corporate money flowing into politics you got things like the McCarthy witchhunts, Ronald Reagan, and neoconservatism. In order to ensure that their agenda would get through, the resorted to the oldest trick in the book, bribery(or tax breaks).

So now taxes have entered a downward spiral in which attempting to raise taxes is political suicide.


Sometimes I think that controlling the parties is some band of 60s hippies who want to destroy the United States to save the environment and bring about world peace and blah blah blah, but it's not. Our corrupt government is just the corporate machine doing what it does. We need to put a leash on that thing before it kills us all.

If it helps, I came up with this when I was in my terrifically inefficient shower:

Think about the Founding Fathers as a group of well meaning geeks who just wanted to make something awesome so they'd remembered for all time as pretty intelligent, well-meaning, and just all around nice guys. And the United States was this something. And then a bunch of rich jocks found out about America and wanted it because it was just so freaking awesome. Naturally, jocks suck at running a government and dont really care as long as they still make pants loads of money off it. So the whole place goes to shit.


"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

and of course...

"No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country."
Alexis de Tocqueville
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Re: The economy
« Reply #107 on: January 04, 2011, 05:36:44 pm »

You make a good point. Stupid jocks.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #108 on: January 04, 2011, 06:07:33 pm »

@Thobal:That is just plain brilliant.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #109 on: January 05, 2011, 03:17:29 am »

Thanks for the New Zealand report.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #110 on: January 05, 2011, 03:23:32 am »

Hmm, I wonder how the Australian vs. the US of A doller is going.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #111 on: January 05, 2011, 02:56:34 pm »

Hmm, I wonder how the Australian vs. the US of A doller is going.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2011, 05:57:36 pm »

I find it interesting all the craziness that has happened in american in teh last 100 years. The income tax actually didn't even exist until the civil war (the government got it's money through tariffs and such). Then they eliminated it in 1872, moving taxes to things like tobacco and alcohol. in 1895, the supreme court ruled income taxes as unconstitutional, and it stayed that way until the 16th amendment in 1913.

We barely had a tax system at all until 16 years before the first great depression.

Source here: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html.

It's just one of those things that people don't think about, and assume it's always been the current way. Like "in god we trust" not being required on currency until 1955 (or for that matter, in the pledge of allegiance). I always thought "one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" sounded weird. knowing it was written "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" make a lot more grammatical sense, and to me just sounds prettier.

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Re: The economy
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2011, 06:14:18 pm »

Like "in god we trust" not being required on currency until 1955 (or for that matter, in the pledge of allegiance). I always thought "one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" sounded weird. knowing it was written "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" make a lot more grammatical sense, and to me just sounds prettier.
Not to mention the fact that a nation founded on the ideas of freedom of religion and the separation of church and state shouldn't specifically reference a religion in this manner.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #114 on: January 05, 2011, 08:19:38 pm »

lol its the same TAKE THAT.

Dude, look at our population. It shouldn't be the same.

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Re: The economy
« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2011, 09:57:57 pm »

Like "in god we trust" not being required on currency until 1955 (or for that matter, in the pledge of allegiance). I always thought "one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" sounded weird. knowing it was written "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" make a lot more grammatical sense, and to me just sounds prettier.
Not to mention the fact that a nation founded on the ideas of freedom of religion and the separation of church and state shouldn't specifically reference a religion in this manner.
So true, but maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that tidbit, it can easily derail this into the atheism thread.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #116 on: January 05, 2011, 10:00:36 pm »

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Re: The economy
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2011, 01:07:34 am »

Hmm, I wonder how the Australian vs. the US of A doller is going.
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I remember back in the old days, when the Australian dollar was worth quite a bit less than the American dollar.
Wait no, that was just a few years back.
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Re: The economy
« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2011, 01:12:47 am »

I know, I remember a time when it was 50 cents US to an AUS doller. How the hell did you guys drop so fast?
Wait...

*looks up figures against the English pound*
Ok then, how the hell did we go up so fast?

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Re: The economy
« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2011, 01:15:24 am »

Tea sales?
Edit: Pounds were always one of the stronger currency, it's not surprising.
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