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[Funkadelic Jive Turkey]

The cave river creatures seem to consistently bypass my traps. The stonefall traps don't even go off!

Seeing as how my river creatures are super tough as is, from swimming, this kinda makes my fort unplayable.

I'm assuming this is a bug. If Toady reads this after his break, I've a save of my fortress with traps laid out by the river; I can send it along and all you'd need to do is station somebody by the entrance and behold the horror when something crawls out.

If there's any additional info needed for suggestions, just ask.

Note: I tried turning adventure traps on in init.txt, and one stonefall trap seemed to go off, but just one. And in other tests with it on, none have.

[Funkadelic Jive Turkey]

Ok, this has to be a bug, I've a save now with a mudman standing directly on a weapons trap. Gonna have to postpone this fortress till there's a fix.

[Captain Goatse]

I confirm, I got rhesus monkeys opening the door to my above ground towers and passing spiked balls traps without setting. Please fix that ASAP!

[Capntastic]

I had an Iron Man waltz through a row of stonefall traps.    

[Funkadelic Jive Turkey]

Yeah, I never even relied so much on traps before, but considering my river creatures are insanely strong I really have no alternative. Not that it's helped.  

[BurnedToast]

I *think* I remember toady saying something about mechanism quality affecting traps this version. maybe your traps are just not firing because you have shoddy mechanisms? try making some nice ones and see if that helps?

[Ravendas]

Theres some videos in the somethingawful df thread showing a dragon dying by 4 stonefall traps (outside), and a titan getting caught in a cage trap. While that is a bug in itself, since they are supposed to just bypass traps, they are anything but useless.

Like the other said, perhaps you need better mechanisms? Maybe the rocks weren't loaded? Not sure.

[Funkadelic Jive Turkey]

Rocks were definitely loaded, minus a few that I know weren't. Mechanism quality might be a factor, but for rows of traps to not go off in repeated tests seems weird. I had a snake man run through about 5 rows of traps, stone fall and weapons, and nothing (although granted my river creatures are super hell spawn: http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000922  ). I've had frogmen go through traps without triggering. And if somebody will tell me how I can post a screen shot, I have a save game where a mud man is currently just doodling about on a weapons trap surrounded by stone fall traps and nothing happens to him.

If this is related to mechanism quality then that is a ridiculous fail ratio! Maybe the creatures learned to bypass traps somehow, because they are just that badass or something, I don't know. But I'm guessing it's a bug, a mighty mean one for me since I generally only trap sparingly and when necessary.

Edit: Cleaned up phrasing

[ November 05, 2007: Message edited by: Funkadelic Jive Turkey ]

[Quintin Stone]

My stonefall traps have been triggered by both monkeys and a dragon.  I haven't encountered any river creatures yet though.

[ November 05, 2007: Message edited by: Quintin Stone ]

[Shades]

They kill of insane dwarves well enough

[Tormy]

My stonefall traps easily killed a dragon like 2 hours ago. You call this worthless? I think traps are way too powerful in fact.
your problem sounds like a bug.

[ November 05, 2007: Message edited by: Tormy ]

[Funkadelic Jive Turkey]

Err, Tormy, you say my problem sounds like a bug?

Well it's posted in bug reports isn't it?   :roll: ...

[Sophismata]

Come to mention it, none of my traps have ever gone off, either. This is with Kobold Thieves walking all over them, too.

[Durnheist]

Kobold thieves have trap avoid, meaning they'll never set them off.  I don't think regular goblin thieves do, but master goblin thieves also avoid I believe.

[Dehydration]

Here are some worthless traps against a legendary dragon.
http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-96-onoiduruso

Here are some worthless traps and a very brave horse against a legendary titan.
http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-99-mypettitan

As far as sneaky-things go, traps don't go off all the time -- there are monsters, particularly of the kobold variety, that sometimes make it almost inside my fort even with what you see here. Even once they're revealed they run around at will without getting smashed. Seeing as how it's real, real specific which ones are and are not affected, I'm not sure you could call this a bug.