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[webadict]

Huge waste of my awesome role. ;^;

... Not really. Your role is very anti-Town in its current state. Basically, you can't be Kinged after you Super Saint, which would probably hit a Townie anyhow.

[Jim Groovester]

I would disagree.

From a Hero mislynch you get two alignment confirmations instead of one, even if the Hero can't be Kinged afterward. That's not a bad deal for a mislynch.

[webadict]

I would disagree.

From a Hero mislynch you get two alignment confirmations instead of one, even if the Hero can't be Kinged afterward. That's not a bad deal for a mislynch.

It was with the unable to re-King thing. Without that, it might be helpful. But, that also means normal lylo is game over, due to only being able to king scum.

[Toaster]

There is little discussion this day.  Mindmaker stands shortly after the group convenes.

“My mind is made up.  Clearly, Jim Groovester is a Villain. Guards!”

Jim is on his feet in an instant.  He whips out a dagger and charges Mindmaker.  “You won’t get me this easily!” he roars.  Mindmaker jumps backwards over his chair, and Jim trips into a wild swing.  The guards overwhelm him as he falls and knock him out.  He is dragged by his feet out into the town square and hung before he can wake back up.

Webadict and Mindmaker have saved the kingdom!  For his work in rooting out the scum, Mindmaker is formally crowned King, and he moves into the castle.  Webadict is gone the day after Jim’s death- presumably to train in the ways of Kingmaker.


Game over- town wins!  Congratulations!


(Mindmaker and Web were both Townpeople as of game start- Web was rolled Kingmaker, somewhat uselessly)

[Toaster]

Scum Chat:  http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/jxeMGzzCVftT
Dead Chat:  http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/ng5dt2LXgBaM

Spoiler: Night 1 (click to show/hide)

Jim:  Kill Jokerman

After the execution, you sneak down to the kitchen where the night’s dinners are being prepared.  You know Jokerman usually eats alone in his room, so he should be an easy mark.  Sure enough, you spot a tray of food set aside for him.  A quick dose of poison in his goblet of wine, and the deed is done.  No one spots you as you head back to your room for the night.

Jokerman: Die

You settle into your room, admiring your collection of prizes from many adventures.  A servant brings you your dinner, which you eat while pondering the day’s events.  Satisfied, you sip on your wine and look out the window...

Your head starts spinning and your pulse quickens.  You look at you wine glass in alarm- poison!  Going for help, you turn to run out the door, but fall after a couple steps.  The room fades into darkness...

You have died. You may discuss it here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/ng5dt2LXgBaM

Spoiler: Night 2 (click to show/hide)

Jim:  Kill Pandar

Another day, another advisor to remove.  They’ll be looking for poison, so that’s out.  You sit on your bed and ponder an alternate plan...

Late at night, you sneak out of your chamber.  You head out to Pandarsenic’s room to get an idea of how to eliminate him.  He resides across from a guard tower... hmm!    You grab a bow and sneak off to the tower.  A quick check on the guard shows him asleep at his post- bloody peasant.  From your vantage point, you can clearly see your quarry asleep in his bed.  You aim at his head, and fire!

Blast, you missed!  He shoots up in his bed, awake but unsure of what just happened.  You’ve had plenty of practice with the bow, however, and are able to get off another shot quickly.  This one pierces his heart, and he quickly succumbs.  You toss the bow over the wall and quickly return to your room.

If you can make it through the next day, the kingdom shall be yours!


Pandar:  Die

You return to your room after the events of the day.  Remembering what happened to poor Jokerman, you refuse the castle wine and instead drink something from your personal stash.  After a quiet evening, you head to bed.

You awake with a start.  Something just clattered onto the floor.  An arrow?  From where?  You’re on the third floor, and there is no one else in the room.  You see a glint from the guard tower nearby out of your window- there!   Your discovery is interrupted by an arrow embedding itself in your chest.  You clutch at the arrow, to no avail- you quickly pass out...

You have died.  You may discuss it here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/ng5dt2LXgBaM

Spoiler: Night 3 (click to show/hide)

Jim:  Kill Ottofar

The situation has taken a turn for the worse- only you remain.  Undeterred, you decide it is best if Ottofar is eliminated.  Poison is out, and there’s no clear bowshot.  That leaves direct action.

You sneak out late in the night toward Ottofar’s room.  The lock is very crude, and easily bypassed.  You sneak quietly into his room, and note that he is asleep.  You sneak to his bedside, and stab downward several times.  After a few secods of thrashing and gurgling, he is no more.  Satisfied, you wipe the knife clean on the bed linens and depart.

You return to your room.  Can you convince tomorrow’s king that you are true to the kingdom?

Time will tell.


Ottofar:  Die

The past few nights have been unpleasant.  You turn down wine this night as you did last night, but this time you also close and shutter the window.  After a few minutes preparing your decision of Mindmaker as king for the next day, you turn in for the night.

A sudden sharp pain awakens you, and it is quickly followed by several more.  You try to jump out of bed and shout, but all you manage is some thrashing and gurgles.  Your vision slowly fades...

You are dead, but you may contact other lost souls here: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/ng5dt2LXgBaM


Wuba: Become Kingmaker

The night passes for you uneventfully.  However, in the morning you see a note shoved under your door.  It reads, simply:

“You are now Kingmaker!  Too bad we don’t think you’ll have to use your power...”

Interesting.

[Toaster]

I hope everyone enjoyed that.  It ended up working out fairly well, and I'd be more than happy to run it again.

Ottofar had picked Mindmaker as his secondary N1, not Native, so he seemed to trust him over Native all game.

I do apologize for the rule confusion- I am glad it didn't seriously disrupt the game.  To that end, I think several rule questions came up.

1.  King repetition.  It's certainly gone in its current form.  Should there be any restriction at all, or something simpler like "No kings twice in a row unless there are 5 or fewer people alive?"

2.  Hero role.  How should it be implemented?  I've seen it in several forms, including its current form and one that merely stops the lynch without a supersaint effect. 

3.  Kingmaker combining with other roles.  Obviously, there was no doc this game so it wasn't an issue.  However, what are people's thoughts on this?  I included it to lessen the chances of no eligible kingmaker appearing.  It wasn't clear that the doctor would keep his old role in addition to becoming Kingmaker, as opposed to losing it- he'd submit a King choice as well as a protect action.  What are the views on that one.  In any case, at game start the Kingmaker would be only kingmaker.

4.  Other roles.  What other roles could we see here?  Scum roles?  See above on Kingmaker dual role, but due to its nature this will be a moderately role-light game.

5.  Bigger games?  Third parties?  Any ideas here?


This is easier to host than some games (no vote counts!) so I have zero problem running this again.

[Toaster]

Right, one more.  Currently, if the Kingmaker is NKed, his choice for that night stands.  Does everyone agree with that rule?  Web sent me a king choice on N3, presumably because he figured Ottofar would die.  It didn't make much difference because he still picked Mindmaker anyway.


Also, should I bother assigning a Kingmaker at 3p LYLO?

[Jim Groovester]

1. I don't think there needs to be any rule that prevents reKinging.

2. Ehhhhh, I don't know. Maybe keep it the way it is, see if it's an issue later?

3. I don't see a problem with this happening.

4/5. I like Kingmaker because it's a simple setup. I don't really see the need for any more roles than the ones already there nor larger games or third parties.

Right, one more.  Currently, if the Kingmaker is NKed, his choice for that night stands.  Does everyone agree with that rule?  Web sent me a king choice on N3, presumably because he figured Ottofar would die.  It didn't make much difference because he still picked Mindmaker anyway.


Also, should I bother assigning a Kingmaker at 3p LYLO?

Yes and yes, respectively. I don't see any problems with keeping these rules the way they are.

I'd be certainly willing to play again, but not anytime soon, since I'm in enough games already.

[webadict]

I hope everyone enjoyed that.  It ended up working out fairly well, and I'd be more than happy to run it again.

Ottofar had picked Mindmaker as his secondary N1, not Native, so he seemed to trust him over Native all game.

I do apologize for the rule confusion- I am glad it didn't seriously disrupt the game.  To that end, I think several rule questions came up.

Meh. If I have to bypass the rules, I'll find out how to eventually.

1.  King repetition.  It's certainly gone in its current form.  Should there be any restriction at all, or something simpler like "No kings twice in a row unless there are 5 or fewer people alive?"

Double Kinging isn't too bad at all. I can't really see a problem with it, other than someone might lynch scum and therefore get Kinged again. Of course, this can be abused by the scum as well. I think it hurts both sides to not allow double Kinging, but if you're dead-set against that, you could do no twice in a row unless 5 or less, as that avoids all potential problems.

2.  Hero role.  How should it be implemented?  I've seen it in several forms, including its current form and one that merely stops the lynch without a supersaint effect. 

The problem with this one is that the Hero is confirmed Town, but can't be Kinged, kinda like the Kingmaker. This really only becomes a problem at 3p lylo, where the scum are the only ones that can be Kinged. That's the only problem, and it can't be fixed with allowing the Hero to be Kinged, so what you need to have done is... ? I'm not sure. You could allow both the King and Hero to die if you have more pro-Town power roles. Otherwise, I've got nothing.

3.  Kingmaker combining with other roles.  Obviously, there was no doc this game so it wasn't an issue.  However, what are people's thoughts on this?  I included it to lessen the chances of no eligible kingmaker appearing.  It wasn't clear that the doctor would keep his old role in addition to becoming Kingmaker, as opposed to losing it- he'd submit a King choice as well as a protect action.  What are the views on that one.  In any case, at game start the Kingmaker would be only kingmaker.

I think that Kingmaker SHOULD erase the old role, but it can only happen if there is no eligible Townie. So, if there were a Doctor, Merchant, and Villain left, the Doctor loses his protect, and becomes the Kingmaker. Either that, or just make it so he can't be Kingmaker, so that it CAN turn into a voting game, instead of a Kinging one.

4.  Other roles.  What other roles could we see here?  Scum roles?  See above on Kingmaker dual role, but due to its nature this will be a moderately role-light game.

Ummm... I think that Kingmaker is a nice game with a few roles. I can't advocate for Vigilantes or Cops, unless the Villains are able to counter these somehow.

5.  Bigger games?  Third parties?  Any ideas here?

Bigger games are fine. I think up to 13 might be feasible. I think third parties won't work very well, but I have never seen a Kingmaker with third parties.

This is easier to host than some games (no vote counts!) so I have zero problem running this again.

Go ahead. It was kinda fun, even with some rules mishaps.

Right, one more.  Currently, if the Kingmaker is NKed, his choice for that night stands.  Does everyone agree with that rule?  Web sent me a king choice on N3, presumably because he figured Ottofar would die.  It didn't make much difference because he still picked Mindmaker anyway.


Also, should I bother assigning a Kingmaker at 3p LYLO?

Nope. You can't allow this one. It ruins the whole point of the scum killing the Kingmaker. If the Kingmaker is suspicious of them, then he's able to get a King up with no disruption that isn't them. However, the scum would want to make sure they aren't Kinging people, and someone else is. Hopefully, someone that is more friendly.

[Ottofar]

I mentioned the scum in my PMs once, as I kinged Jim. Otherwise, perfect night game.
I think I'm going to make a new avatar, to celebrate.

[Vector]

I don't know why, but I suddenly want an insane BYOR kingmaker-y thing.

Carry on.

[Zrk2]

Yeah, go townies!

Can you guys point out some flaws in my townie strategy so I can work on them next time. Jim in particular, as we had quite the spat, what could I have done better?

[Jim Groovester]

Well, since you asked.

You were lynched because it didn't immediately look like you were interested in finding scum. When you started asking questions, it was too late, and by that point, you had accused me of being scum for being aggressive.

You were legitimately suspicious. Even though I was scum, I would have been perfectly right to suspect you.

From the outset, you need to go find scum. You. Not anybody else. Sitting back and throwing out hypothetical scenarios for other players is not actively finding scum yourself. This is important. Don't rely on anybody else to do it for you, though don't ignore what other people have to say, of course.

What else you need to recognize is that players who do the above are not scummy. Far from it. Players who are active and aggressive in finding scum are town. If they're actually scum, well, they outplayed you, and that's perfectly fine since they earned it.

Most of this game is looking like you're trying to find scum, and then lynching the people who don't. Everything else comes with experience.

So, in future games, you should be active from the start. Ask questions about anything you think is suspicious. Ask questions about anything you think is odd. If you're wrong, people will tell you, and you should listen, but don't let that stop you from asking questions. If you can do that you should pick up the game pretty fast.

[Leafsnail]

I don't know why, but I suddenly want an insane BYOR kingmaker-y thing.

Carry on.

Man that would get completely crazy pretty fast.  But would probably be fun.

[webadict]

I don't know why, but I suddenly want an insane BYOR kingmaker-y thing.

Carry on.

I was actually going to make one of those. Stop reading my mind.

Yeah, go townies!

Can you guys point out some flaws in my townie strategy so I can work on them next time. Jim in particular, as we had quite the spat, what could I have done better?

Pretty much what Jim said. Remember, I was town and I was sure that you were scum.

If you look at the things people were saying about you, those are pretty big things to change. Also, look at what was chosen by players as scummy, both scum and town alike.