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Author Topic: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.  (Read 3152 times)

CapnUrist

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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2010, 10:14:35 am »

Mechanisms are a little too high for crossbows, especially 1400s crossbows (which is the technology limit Toady has set down); A crossbow isn't that complex; even a heavier crossbow with a very heavy pull is operated simply with a winch attached to a ratchet that pulls back the string, and a trigger that drops the string hold. The strength of the crossbow is based upon the weight of the string, the materials in the prod, and the size of the thing.
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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 02:00:04 pm »

There's no "mechanism" in even the most complicated crossbow. Even the winch used on some of the bigger ones hardly qualifies. All it is is a lever for the trigger, and (sometimes) a pulley. Neither of which were complex by 1400s standards, or 1400s BC standards for that matter.
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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 03:57:38 pm »

The cross bow has the following tags.
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]

And the bow has these
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]

As such, DF cross bows shoot at the exact same speed as bows. Looking at the [SIZE:300] on the bow, that means would be about three feet long. Anybody here, with there profound understanding of bows (Because honestly, I have never held a bow in my life) know how powerful a three foot bow is? If were talking a weak bow, then it would make sence that cross bows are the weaker veriety that allow you to pull the string back without machenical aid.

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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 06:22:05 pm »

mechanism + crossbows = sentry guns
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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2010, 06:39:48 pm »

mechanism + crossbows = sentry guns

Sounds like traps filled with wooden/bone bolts.
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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2010, 07:17:48 pm »

But imagine aiming at range
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Re: Crossbow construction should require mechanism & forging a dual skill.
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2010, 06:20:22 am »

The cross bow has the following tags.
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]

And the bow has these
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]

As such, DF cross bows shoot at the exact same speed as bows. Looking at the [SIZE:300] on the bow, that means would be about three feet long. Anybody here, with there profound understanding of bows (Because honestly, I have never held a bow in my life) know how powerful a three foot bow is? If were talking a weak bow, then it would make sence that cross bows are the weaker veriety that allow you to pull the string back without machenical aid.

Bow size does not directly define its strength.
a three foot bow can easily be as powerfull as a six foot or sixty six foot one, especially if you recall that it is usually made of metal in df.
the problems with shorter bows are that they deform more than longer ones while being shot, and that that string of a short strong bow will clinch your fingers when you stretch it, but any of these problems can be worked around.
edited out some wrong spelling
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 06:21:58 am by nanomage »
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