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Firehawk

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Well Troubles
« on: December 21, 2010, 07:33:54 am »

Any idea why this well isn't working? I'll include an image, but the setup is as follows:

Level 1) Well over a properly channeled hole.
Level 2) Channeled hole leading to the water, directly under said well.
Level 3) Water source, again directly under the well.

I had read on the wiki that as long as there was a clear shaft to water, wells were able to pull water from any number of z-levels below. Is this incorrect? Do I need to pump the water up a level?

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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 07:37:07 am »

Looks OK.  Are you sure it's not salt water?  Hit and then make a zone over it.  If "Water Source" is blacked out, then it's salt water.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 07:38:20 am »

I have tried making it a drinking zone and it is indeed blacked out, but the water source is a river (so I am assuming it's fresh water). Are there such things as salt water rivers?

EDIT: I confirmed that I can build a working well on the z-level below the top one. I guess wells can't pull more than one z-level any more?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2010, 07:52:37 am by Firehawk »
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 08:36:20 am »

Wells work over any water type, they don't care if it's fresh or salt water, and unless you're on an oceanside biome it shouldn't be salt water anyway.

Well should still be able to be built any number of Z-levels above water, so that shouldn't matter.  So long as your well is actually built directly over water, on a channeled hole, with a clear path to the water below, it should work.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 08:38:59 am »

Definitely not working. No idea what the problem is.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 08:42:37 am »

How is it not working?  Does the well refuse to get built, or is the well's status 'dry' or 'inactive'?

One point - the well you built one layer down, is it on the same spot?  I suspect that wells may block water for wells directly above them, but I haven't tested this.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 09:18:01 am »

Check if a layer under the well inst

+(floor) but open space.

Also salty water cant be drinked.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 09:21:40 am »

Also salty water cant be drinked.
It can if it comes from a well.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 09:23:31 am »

Also salty water cant be drinked.
It can if it comes from a well.

Are you sure?  :-\ Dorfs cant drink water from salty sources(I mean seas and ponds close to it).

Salty water sources also can be turned in drinkable ones if are pumped by a screw pump(NOTE THAT THE RESERVOIR NEEDS TO BE SMOOTH/CONSTRUCTED WALLS OR IT WILL TURNED INTO SALTY AGAIN! also if touches salty water. "You have embarked in a area with salty water. It might be very difficult to survive here")
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 09:30:49 am »

Also salty water cant be drinked.
It can if it comes from a well.
Are you sure?  :-\ Dorfs cant drink water from salty sources(i mean seas and ponds close to it).
Yes.  I think there might be some confusion going on here between water collection activity zones and wells.  Water collection zones only work when placed directly above sources of fresh water.  Water collection zones are where you tell your dwarves to stand and collect water manually from a water source without using a well.  Wells do not need to be in an area zoned as a water collection activity zone.  In theory, wells should be able to be placed any distance above any kind of water.  Placing a well above salt water may result in your dwarves gathering buckets full of 'water laced with salt', but they don't seem to mind that.

I suspect that the original poster may be mistaken about his well not working.  He may be trying to zone the area around the well as a water source and then seeing that the 'water source' option is blacked out.  This is because water source zones and wells are different functions, and wells don't need to be placed in or set as water source zones.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 09:32:30 am »

Also salty water cant be drinked.
It can if it comes from a well.
Are you sure?  :-\ Dorfs cant drink water from salty sources(i mean seas and ponds close to it).
Yes.  I think there might be some confusion going on here between water collection activity zones and wells.  Water collection zones only work when placed directly above sources of fresh water.  Water collection zones are where you tell your dwarves to stand and collect water manually from a water source without using a well.  Wells do not need to be in an area zoned as a water collection activity zone.  In theory, wells should be able to be placed any distance above any kind of water.  Placing a well above salt water may result in your dwarves gathering buckets full of 'water laced with salt', but they don't seem to mind that.

I suspect that the original poster may be mistaken about his well not working.  He may be trying to zone the area around the well as a water source and then seeing that the 'water source' option is blacked out.  This is because water source zones and wells are different functions, and wells don't need to be placed in or set as water source zones.

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Edit: Aww, it works. Strange.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2010, 09:42:36 am by Davichococat »
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 04:01:23 pm »

Sorry for hijacking the thread but if i understand correctly Sphalerite your saying that wells don't need to have an activity zone? The dwarfs will go there anyway to get water? i was always setting it to a "Water Source" lol. I need to go back in-game and erase that zone lol.
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Re: Well Troubles
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 04:11:15 pm »

Yes.  Activity Zones and Wells are two different functions.  Water Activity Zones are used to tell dwarves where to go to get water when not using a well.  Wells don't need to be placed in Activity Zones in order to be used as water sources.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 04:15:53 pm »

ahhh i see, thank you appreciate it  :)
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 10:51:25 pm »

I think you need to define a room (q-r) from the well before anyone will use it.
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