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[Align]

Bismuth bars for example weigh 1900 or so, while their ore weighs 801.
On the other hand, native aluminum weighs 810 and their bars 510.

Shouldn't bars consistently weigh less than their ores? What with the smelting process removing dirt and impurities..

[Geofferic]

Depends on how much of the smelter gets left in the bars!

[Torak]

I remember hearing something about this forever ago, where a bar would weigh multiple times more than the original ore, it was actually quite the funny situation.

[ December 12, 2007: Message edited by: Torak ]

[Nikinyo]

Maybe it is just one of the Dwarf Fortress universe rules.

[Alfador]

It probably has to do with ores being set with a default density, while bars have the density of the metal, and the sizes are the same. Therefore, smelting effectively transmutes all the mass of the ore into the metal.

Not saying it makes sense, just that it makes sense in context.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Some ores only have a percentage of a bar of metal stored in them. I assume the ores have been tweaked to have 100% in most cases because otherwise would make normally abundant metals rather scarce. For example, magnetite is abundant, and is mostly iron, but it's not ALL iron, so about one out of five-six stones would not yield a bar. With gold, it's a lot worse than that.

Maybe we really should retweak them back, so that the high price of those metals would be just?

[atomicoctobot]

quote:Originally posted by Sean Mirrsen:
<STRONG>Some ores only have a percentage of a bar of metal stored in them. I assume the ores have been tweaked to have 100% in most cases because otherwise would make normally abundant metals rather scarce. For example, magnetite is abundant, and is mostly iron, but it's not ALL iron, so about one out of five-six stones would not yield a bar. With gold, it's a lot worse than that.

Maybe we really should retweak them back, so that the high price of those metals would be just?</STRONG>

Yes, the idea of ore is the it's very impure and needs to be refined to create a pure product. However, the fact that an entire tile yields a single bar should be taken into consideration.

It could be tricky to make this more realistic.

[Align]

Once stacking is in, we'll get smaller metal bars that make more sense(1 bar for a length of chain or an axehead? hmm), and then ores can just yield varying amounts of bars.

[penguinofhonor]

quote:Originally posted by atomicoctobot:
<STRONG>

Yes, the idea of ore is the it's very impure and needs to be refined to create a pure product. However, the fact that an entire tile yields a single bar should be taken into consideration.

It could be tricky to make this more realistic.</STRONG>

Then there would be a point to having different ores for the same metal with the same properties!

Native Silver/Horn Silver
Native Copper/Cassiterite

I heard Magnetite forms different shaped deposits than Hematite. No clue about Luminite (or whatever)

But couldn't the impure ores be the ones from spaces that didn't produce an ore? Legendary Miners would be better at identifying how to best save enough ore to smelt and whatnot.

[Scotty]

yeah magnetite is always (never saw otherwise) forms in large oval clusters like you find mica, orthoclase and microcline, whereas hematite is found in veins like gold, silver, copper, etc.

[Align]

quote:Originally posted by penguinofhonor:
<STRONG>Native Copper/Cassiterite</STRONG>

Cassiterite is Tin...?

[Freakazoid]

I don't really care about the varying weight. Smelting as it is, it's simplified for our gaming benefit. Don't imagine the tile as one item, but as a representation of enough items to make something out of it.

If you don't think of it that way, scale of proportion for many things goes way out the door.

[Align]

So it's not 1 ore of bismuth, it's 3-4? That weigh less than a completed bar, I might add.

[Asehujiko]

You figured out where the dwarven mafia leaves missing people. Now would you kindly come with us for a walk in the woods? Pay no attention to the gorrila's with AK-47's.

[Neskiairti]

i was thinking about this...

ore could be even more scarce but a single (lets call it ton) of ore.. say magnetite its rate is 900.. so it produces 900kilos of iron from 1 ton of ore and say 1 bar is 100kilo bars..

then something more rare.. native platinum, it would be just a splattering of platinum in the rock face.. so from that 1 ton of rock, it produces 100 kilos of platinum.. or one bar..

this would be a more realistic situation... and make a vein of metal produce a more realistic ammount of metal.. harvesting a ton of rock to make a little toothpick of copper.. yeah my ass