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[guessingo]

How long is the main quest? I read somewhere that is not done and the game just ends at some point. Assuming you live through it, how many hours of game time?

[Frumple]

Quest just ends at some point, but you can still wander around as you please, I think. I'm pretty sure if you were somehow able to survive the process, you could go through the main questline stuff relatively quickly... maybe less than four or five hours or somethin'. But, uh. You're not going to do that on your first run. Or your tenth or whatev'. Game rapidly gets very, very dangerous.

Speaking of that! Today I learned that phase cannons deal light damage. This is, in fact, very important! Because enemies can have light manipulation. And light manipulation can reflect light damage. And phase cannons are capable of dealing well over 150 damage in one attack. And you're probably not going to have more HP than that when you walk into a room full of psyberneticists and they finish stunning you. Phase cannons are now on my "list of items to never use again". Which is a shame, 'cause they're ruddy awesome right up until the point they get you to one-shot yourself in the face :V

Spoiler: Also, have another feedback/observation/travelogue dump thing (click to show/hide)

Oh wow. You can dismember faces. And then wear the face on your face. Faception. I am now a mutant wearing an electrofuge's face.

Significant disappointment: You cannot use dismembered limbs as weapons. Immediate thought: Cudgel, damage based on weight, max penetration based on delimbed creature's AV.

Let us recharge loaded cells?

Idle thought: Auto-use ability mode, where it will use applicable off-cooldown abilities when you attack. Either a general thing or something you can set per ability. Be nice to use dismember whenever it's off CD without having to actually pay attention to the CD, ferex.

If I didn't miss it somewhere, some sort of "visible enemies/creatures" list/status bar thing/whatever would probably be really nice. Sometimes it's really easy to not notice when something is inside your LoS.

Minor note: Disassemble-able dismember limbs don't get auto-disassembled. In related news, I am now wearing the face of a cult-inducted plated chromeling.

Be nice if autoexplore made a point of stepping on trash piles when you have scavenger, kinda' like it does for autoget stuff.

... if on fire and sprinting (possibly knowing tumble in addition), waiting could do a roll instead of just beating on the flames? Alternatively, a new maneuver ala sprint that knocks you prone in exchange for either putting the fire out, or notably increasing the effectiveness of putting out the fires. Maybe even move you a tile or two, I'unno.

So... do backswings stack? Is there any point in picking up the axe one if you already have the cudgel one?

Uh. Are swarm racks supposed to be 750 lbs?

Noticing that autoexplore seems to have pretty substantial problems navigating 1 tile wide corridors of any notable length, especially if they go diagonal for any particular length of time.

Figured out what causes the cursor dance of irritating command buffer stuffing: It's apparently possible to put the cursor between two tiles when aiming with the mouse, which leads the game to not really being able to figure out which square you intend and bouncing itself back and forth unendingly. Be real nice if there was some kind of check to prevent that, heh.

Some kind of... mining explosive would be neat. Either something that just does (notably) extra damage to wall materials, had a directional charge, or both. Could be a base-line bomb-style item, something you place down without having to have the set bomb skill.

what in the blue hell
autoget just nabbed a rocket turret's projectile from mid air
what just happened
how
and
can I do it again? Can... can this be a skill? Or a mutation? Cybernetics? Injection effect? Something? I think the projectile actually disappeared instead of ending up in my inventory, but if something can be implemented so that you actually matrix bullets/rockets/etc. out of the air and then either keep them or redirect them or something it would be amazing. I want this in my post apocalyptic life.

11th of Uru Ux
Harvest Dawn
Encountered web-toed laser turret. Not sure how. Pretty sure it doesn't have toes. Now wondering why someone glued frog legs to a laser turret.

Starting to really notice that slime levels seem freakishly common. And half the time there's giant amoebas even on levels that aren't. Seriously wishing there was an easier way to deal with these things.

now encountering web-toed widgets. +1 points for alliteration. -5 points for web-toed presumably-footless robots.

web-toed glowfish
when did you get toes, glowfishies

autoexplore's autoget interaction doesn't quite recognize when you have no spare container space. Means it gets hung up if there's any fresh water on the ground.

Interesting. Seems like temperature change doesn't exactly kick in when you're attacking up or down stairs -- at the least, the normal temperature transfer you'd see from being besides something that's gettig hotter isn't happening. Vaguely abusable if you're fighting something that can't really hurt you, but you can't do damage to it very quickly, either (saltbacks, ferex), since you can sit on a set of stairs and wail down and not catch fire or freeze yourself in the process.

You also can't see the relative health of whatever you're attacking when they happen to be on another map.

Eesh, lesson learned: Flaming weapons and very tough enemies are a very bad combination for you. If you have to hit something a lot they eventually become very, very on fire, to the point trying to continue to melee them is basically suicide. I have now led these saltbacks through about twenty tiles of 2k dram salt water, for the course of... probably rapidly approaching or exceeding a hundred turns. The turtles are still on fire. I have thrown a freeze grenade at them, that hit one dead on and the rest in the explosion. The turtles are still on fire. Led them over a couple dozen 2k deep slime tiles, too. Still on fire. Two or three hundred turns of shoot and scoot with an eigenrifle, puncuated with four or five charge/dismember/flurry bursts, the turtles are still on fire. Another hundred, hundred fifty turns, the turtles are finally dead. They died on fire. Flaming weapons: Never again.

AI, uh. Might warrant being made a little more insistent about getting off of damaging terrain. I just murdered a full health salt kraken by displacing it into a pool of acid and waiting a while.

Charge seems to be causing some oddness in regards to combat log output. I just charged a full health cragmensch brainer, and the total actual damage numbers that showed was a 9 (from my mainhand battleaxe), a 4 (from an offhand dagger), and a 16 from a shield slam. The brainer died. I'm... fairly sure those critters have more than 29 hp. Though that said, now that I check the blueprint stuff, it looks like they might not. Base HP appears to be 25, with most of their toughness coming from a ridiculous AV score. Maybe the things are just flimsier than I thought they were.

... y'know, you'd think something called a phase cannon would be able to hit things that are phased out.

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you'd think something called a phase cannon wouldn't be firing beams of light, too. But apparently it is, and it's reflectable by light manipulation. RIP 171 hp in one go. RIP phase cannon artifex. Minor suggestion: Maybe have an option to ask for confirmation before firing light at something that's using light manipulation and can potentially reflect the damage? Or some kind of mention in a weapon's description if it's firing light damage attacks. Something so we have some indication besides experience that shooting that psyberneticist may result in exploding for a bit over 3/4ths your health pool.

E: Oh yeah, I had completely forgot I had screenshot the combat log from when I was apparently playing rocket frisbee. Here we go:
You know things are getting real when your critter casually walks past an incoming missile and nabs it mid-transit.

[FallacyofUrist]

Huh. Weird sultan dungeon thingy is fun.

At least until you fall down a shaft and get cornered by worms.

Not even the special thingy saved me(though it did slow them down).

Next run: lose horribly to worms, lose horribly to worms, get mad, break out flamethrower, worms start dying in droves.

[Frumple]

Heeeey, you just saved me from double posting, ahaha. Thanks :V

Though re: flamethrowers, I played around a little with 'em in my current romp. There's a picture down below! _{I am never using flamethrowers again.}

Anyway, another text dump thing. This'un's probably about the size of the rest of them so far combined. Plus it's pretty littered with actual bug reports and weird balance issues, even moreso than the previous one, I think. Also has pictures! And a fairly sure fire way to kill chrome pyramids, if having some fairly strict requirements.

Spoiler: Anyway, spoilered for length (click to show/hide)

Idle thought: Something to let us see the estimated water worth of an item, while out in the field? Add it on to snake-oiler, maybe, or have it be a class-centered thing for water merchants (and true kin equivalents)? Could be very general (valuable, very valuable, junk, etc.). Possibly require actually seeing the item in a shop or trying to sell it before you get the info. Amazing would be a toggle option of some sort so you can change the display between absolute worth and worth per unit of weight.

Huh. Looks like butchery can produce modded items that have engravings/paintings/etc. that to all appearances has information the character doesn't have -- I got a quest off one, just recently. Not sure if that's desired behavior. On the other hand, the thought of chiseling giant crabs and living to tell the tale being some kind of Qud equivalent to cow tipping is an amusing thought indeed. Be great if a future encounter had a bunch of children equipped with boxes of crayons running from an angry hoard of crabs.

It... looks like you skip part of the get-to-grit-gate quest if you recoil straight to the gate? Think I got one of the earlier step of the quest after getting the golgotha part, when I came up to the surface of grit gate for the first time. Kinda' weird, you'd think the arrival thing would peg if you jumped straight to the forcefield, too.

Possibly let you press a specialized fire button on non-marked enemies to take the two turns to mark+fire? Still have the same interrupt you have now, just... let you press one less button.

It begins again. Beguiled rimewyk now has a laser rifle. How does a frozen iguana handle, aim, and reload a laser rifle? It is a mystery to everyone.

Friggin' popsicle lizard may actually be a better shot than I am. Character's agility is sitting at thirty-freaking two and something that probably doesn't even have thumbs is outshooting them. At least with a laser rifle. Not sure I want to risk giving it something that uses slug ammo, save maybe a (scoped, counterweighted, assuming I can find the mod specs) sniper rifle. Now if only I could get the thing to care about how close the junk it's occasionally freezing solid is to my critter we'd be golden. Well. We'd be cool :V

... wow, flamethrowers are even more dangerous to the user than I thought. Three or four blasts are apparently all it takes to start a self-perpetuating burn if the shots happen to hit or hit near a wall. Shale wall will convert into a full 2k deep pool of lava if it gets hot enough... which will then convert any surrounding walls into lava as well, after a few turns, which will then convert any surrounding walls into lava again, and eventually the floor is literally lava and trees and you are igniting like a dozen tiles away from the encroaching crest of the blazing geological improbability wave. I... think I'm just going to pour out all this oil and disassemble the flamethrower, and then never use one ever again. I'unno if this is theme appropriate (though it does fit a post-apocalyptic lostech-is-the-devil type thing) but I seem to be collecting a sizeable list of items what using will kill you >_> (See flamethrowers gone wild, below)

Terrifyingly, the brooding azurepuff I had wanted to try burning down is still alive, even after two or three dozen nearby shale walls have melted into a pool of flaming death. Those things are really far tougher than they probably should be...

Huh. Slam has no cooldown when destroying walls?

*raps the inside of an ice block with knuckles* You know, in retrospect, bringing a pet rimewym into susa was perhaps not the best of ideas.

Kinda' wish there was like a... stable or somethin', I could dump beguiled/converted junk in when they're notably suboptimal for a particular area I'm intending to visit.

If there's a "cycle visible targets" button to press when you're trying to shoot something, I can't find it. It'd be pretty nice, heh. The lock/unlock thing is pretty fiddly with enemies particularly far from each other, as well as mixed hostile/non-hostile groups.

Actually, re: Slam not having CD when targeting walls, if that's actually intentional why not just have slam passively make cudgel attacks destroy applicable walls? Then you'd just have to ctrl+direction instead of hotkey->direction, and avoid the mild confusion of the CD free wall slamming entirely.

If possible, go ahead and make salvage rummage through all piles of trash in a tile rather than just one at a time? It's pretty minor, but it's still kinda' annoying to have to dance back and forth on top of a tile that's got three or four trash piles bundled up in it.

Not sure if it's actually happening, but it seems a lot like ultra fire isn't including staggering fire's effects. I can't recall a single time something's been suppressed after an ultra fire hit. Also might could stand to be clarified a bit, since it doesn't seem to automatically (or maybe at all, it's kinda' hard to tell at times) include the second-tier (flattening, etc.) fire effects and the description reads a fair bit like it's supposed to be doing all of it, not just the ones available. Don't know if it's supposed to be doing just the base three, or whatever current situation warrants, but it'd be nice to know.

Incidentally, a debug command to either toggle ability CDs or just bring all of yours off cooldown? Would be very nice for testing stuff like ultra fire.

Heh. Somehow cute. Just noticed salthopper mandibles are blue \s, presumably because they're (near?) identical to carbide long swords. Shouldn't they be green, like the name?

Huh. Just noticed the rimewyk likes to try to hit things with freezing hands that are outside of freezing hand's range, usually by a tile or so. Dunno if that's an artifact of the thing using a laser rifle as its primary mode of attack or not, but it seems like behavior that might be undesired. _{'course, not that I'm saying the foohand using AI need a buff, of all the minor nightmares possible, but... still.}

Met an arcwyk for the first time!
A) They are goddamn terrifying, if not necessarily dangerous (at the very least when you've got the scry and die clairvoyance/teleport combo).
B) How in the name of the unknown atomic gods do you dodge that by bending over backwards? That is not an attack that has the appearance of being something you can yoga your way through. Unless we dhalsim now, anyway, in which case someone needs to pony up my yoga fire and yoga teleport. I don't know how they'd be different from flaming hands and regular teleport (well, okay, I kinda' do; short range line that ends with a 3x3 AoE instead of a longer straight line, low CD but low range teleport or a reflexive teleport that lets you choose to blink somewhere nearby intead of getting hit every few turns, short range mercurial style), but they would be.

Found: Somewhere in the underground near susa: 1 Frozen Mehmet. In a susa-style cryochamber. I, uh. Uh. Um. Yeeaaaahhh. I'm just... going to let you out, now, mehmet. Who is still in joppa. Thanks, ah. Other mehmet? For the vinewafers. I'll just... take those. And go away. Far, far away from whatever the blue hell you are. _{what the blazes did I just encounter, how did it happen, and how do I make it never happen again?} (See mehmet gone improbable, below)

Idle thought: Let dismember work with non-axe serrated weapons?

Minor typo: When you slam a wall, there's no space between what the wall is and the "is" that comes after, so you get stuff like "The shaleis destroyed."

Jeez, I found another swarm rack. This one is 1500 lbs. How did this thing even get here?

Would... would there happen to be some way to get the susa cybernetic stuff to put out for mutants? Someone or another I can murder and haul into the machine to spoof the genetics check?

Minor bug with eigenrifle, now that I really notice it. Looks like targeting defaults to the last thing the rifle's shot hits, even if you targeted something else with the shot. Is kinda' annoying.

Doors you can't break flanked by walls you can use slam on will forever be amusing, ehehe.

Welp. That's a beguiled sky-bear, right there. Now let's give it some reinforced nanoweave and a serrated crysteel battleaxe and... hold off on the missile launcher. Let's just see how this plays out for a bit, ohoho.

Oh hey, one of the mental mutation critters brought in a space-time vortex. "A leering stalker climbs through the vortex!" Uh. Good, um. Good luck, skybear. I'm just going to... teleport a few rooms away.

Yeah, I'm still not quite sure what this thing is firing but good gods is it a visual pain in the hindquarters.

Welp again. Decapitated the leering stalker. I... wasn't expecting that to happen. It still had more or less full health and I could barely penetrate its armor, even with a four stack of cleave. I'll take it. Anything to get that mess off my screen. Also blast cannon, huh? Interesting.

I have given the skybear a gas mask as reward for surviving the stalker. No particular reason except the mental image of a giant doom bear with a jetpack and gas mask rocketing around everywhere with a huge serrated battleaxe is amusing. Now if only it would stop randomly rocket charging me. Doesn't do any damage, but still...

Also just noticed you can't seem to give the skybear attack orders? I look at it and press a and nothing happens.

Oh hey, one of the megapaladin dudes apparently infected my face with fickle gill. I. I don't know what to think about this turn of events. Any of it.

I now have the mechanimist high priest's face. Welp.

Oh, neat. I didn't even notice mental mutations could level past 10. My teleport CD is now down to... 1. With twoheaded and willpower factored in, anyway. Shame the physical ones don't have an equivalent progression...

Heeeey. Six day stilt pit thing. Be really nice if we could throw in stack of stuff. When you've got a forty stack of HE missiles you'll never use because they'll kill you, being able to chunk the lot in one go would be... nice. Much nicer than having to do it one by one.

... also, because doing it one by one like that can theoretically cause you to do stuff you don't want to (like, say, when the last option is the same key as throwing), when you get into a rhythm and then... miss. Incidentally, so long as you don't actually hit anyone, the machanimists are apparently perfectly fine with you blowing up their sacred well with a grenade. _Whoops.

Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Okay. Alright. Let it be known I just savescummed. I knew this fickle gill thing was going to cause problems, but what I didn't know was that it would effectively deep-six the porcupine bear quest line when you came back from the spindle.

Idle thought: Water is currently the best waterskin based trade good just because it let you keep the waterskin. It'd be nice if that was equalized one way or another. Traders taking the liquid out same as water, or water requiring the skin, too. Much preferably the former, heh. Third thought would be some kind of extra container option, something with either significant size or zero weight, that can be tinkered up but can't hold water. Specialized non-water trade container, basically.

Huh. Albino ape dude is... hated by the consortium of phyta. Who have a shopkeeper chilling a couple buildings away. For burning down one of their villages. Kiiiinda' odd. Half wonder what would happen if I knocked down the walls between the two. Definitely starting to wonder if some adjustments to the randomized faction thing could be called for. Something in the town generation that makes sure no one inside it is hated by anyone else's faction?

Oooh, interesting. It seems if your beguiled minion deals the killing blow to a legendary creature you don't take the faction relation change. Not sure if the minion does or not, since it's not terribly easy to check.

Idle thought: Let navigation related effects worn by party members/minions add on to whatever you have, if they already don't? If a compass bracelet helps you, a wingbear with a spare might help out, too.

... AI is... not very good at handling that skybear jetpack thing. Just kinda' throwing that out there. Hopefully so that at some point in the future my screen won't be filled up with flaming lines of asterisks and huge plumes of smoke from a bear apparently high on exhaust fumes.

Oh ho. Apparently leering stalkers come from the pink deathlands! Good to know.

... also, I've apparently encountered one of the things that tote those several-hundred/over-thousand lbs swarm racks. Hello pyramid. I'm. Going to leave you alone, I think.

Learned: Apparently if you aggro something and then teleport into an inaccessible (to them) part of the map, they will ignore your allies while said allies wail on them. Completely unreleated to that, it takes a long time for a sky bear to kill a leering stalker. Ah, wait, no, no. I think the stalker just ran out of ammo on the blast cannon. Wait wait, no no no. Think I actually pegged it, this time. Skybear with the serrated axe managed to chop off whatever limb was holding the blast cannon, which led to a more-or-less defenseless leering stalker. Huzzah!

I... idle thought. Can the stunned popup box be somewhere that's not centered? Because I swear, every time that thing shows up I have a short moment of mild terror thinking something just one-shot me and my poor heart don't need this.

Apparently decapitation is the best way to handle leering stalkers. That plus low-CD teleportation, anyway. Another way in which axe appears to just be kinda' better than everything else where it matters. _{corollary note, I really should have thought about using EMP on these things waaay earlier than I have}

huh. so that's what swarm racks do. oh god, that is what swarm racks do _{why did a quarter of the map's walls just disappear DX}

Incidentally, taking a full round of point blank swarm rack to the face? Not healthy! Ahahaha! What exactly does it take to kill a chrome pyramid, anyway?

Bright side of being basically unable to kill stalkers except through decapitation: It's a steady income of 7 bits, ehehe.

Interesting. Apparently the combat log knows what something is even if you can't see it at the moment. Shooting something outside your light coverage appears to report the damage and target as normal. Seems a bit undesired? You'd expect a "something" rather than the actual name, and maybe an obfuscated damage report, too. Just a "you hit something" without any indication of what or how hard.

Ooh, nice. Just thought of seeing how effective pistols are against the seekers. That disarm is pretty much perfect, much more reliable than dismemberment for disabling the blast cannon one way or another. Once that cannon's on the ground the seeker itself is just a harmless blob of HP. Only problem is the best pistols I have at th'mo (overloaded laser) are light based, and we've talked about light weapons already Though now that I re-read disarming shot's description, it kinda' looks like chain pistols will be significantly more effective for disarming.

Oh hey, another apparent exception to the extra slot stacking... thing. Seems the ego boosts from faces can work for each face. Also have learned that mental mutations, while able to go higher than physical ones, still can't go over level 13. Easy to see when you've got a couple leering stalker faces to swap out, and can effectively toggle a six point ego shift.

So... what exactly are disarmed turrets doing when they attempt to melee you? Maybe a turret that doesn't have weapons anymore should just keel over dead? Or self-destruct or somethin' if anything gets near it, something like that.

Huh. EMP seems to unstack grenades, and they don't restack when the EMP wears off. It is somewhat spectacularly annoying. Dropping and picking the back up works, at least.

Weird. At the absolute least in dueling stance, you can use swipe while phased out and it'll hit unphased enemies. 'Bout to check and see how viable it is to ghost disarm a chrome pyramid, I think.

... it is entirely too viable. Way, way too viable. Also it's kinda' odd you can step into forcefields while phased, but you can't teleport onto them. Also that said, the pyramid's tendency to teleport on top of you after you teleport, and the fact that apparently explosions ignore phase state, doesn't make it as viable as it could be. If you're going to scry and die, make sure the retreat lands you in a fairly open area, so the swarm doesn't hit walls and explode you.

Incidentally, explosions ignore phase state. Seems odd. I could see it for certain kinds (EMP, maybe electrical, definitely resonance/disintegration, for examples), but bog standard kaboom feels kinda' off.

Heeeyyy, chrome pyramids can't teleport on top of you if you're sitting in a 1-tile hole somewhere buried in the walls. Also apparently slam can destroy walls while phased, too, which hey. Portable buried wall hole.

sweet mother of fornication clonelings can clone chrome pyramids
Fortunately doesn't clone the weapons, too, but the map I'm testing swipe murder on a pyramid now has two new chrome pyramids running around harassing quillipedes.

welp. Took three goes, since swipe likes to knock off the missiles, first, but I have now stripped a chrome pyramid of its swarm rack. Ah ha ha ha. _{turns out the pyramids are hilariously bad melee combatants, similar to the leering stalkers} The pyramids apparently have vital heads. I just decapitated one. Make that three.

So, summation. Teleport+clairvoyance+phase (preferably the mutation, but I guess injectors would work in a pinch), sufficient willpower (and maybe two-headed) to get teleport down to a sub-10 cd, long sword+swipe+high-ish agility, probably axe+decapitation, too. Make sure you very emphatically don't put yourself between the pyramid and a nearby wall. Phase, teleport in, step into the forcefield, swipe, teleport out, ideally into some cubbyhole too small for the pyramid to follow you into. Wait for CDs to finish up, then repeat until you hit the swarm rack and the pyramid is now a giant floating punching bag. Hit until you lop off its head. Congratulations, you have now killed a chrome pyramid ostensibly in melee. Enjoy picking up that hundred stack of HE missiles.

Uh. Huh. So apparently when a cloneling clones a chrome pyramid, it spawns two HE Missiles on the floor. You can pick these missiles up! However, doing so does not remove them from the floor. Which means you can pick them up again. And again. And again. Infinite missiles. S'actually even more buggy than that, tooling around with a bit more. Not really sure how to describe it, but it definitely is something wonky code side.

Oh jeez, autoexplore/autoget even recognizes how helpless a disarmed turret is. They basically don't count as enemies unless you're in melee range, if you boop their weapon out of their hands.

Not sure how actually helpful these dumps are, but eh. Note taking feels nice-ish, and if I'm already jotting stuff down might as well put it out there.

Apologies in advance for the size of these things, since they're probably a bit oversized for what's appropriate on a forum. Probably could resize them somehow but it's more work than I got in me at the moment.

Spoiler: Flamethrower gone wild (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Mehmet gone highly improbable (click to show/hide)

E: Uh. Okay, today let's talk swarm racks for a second. It's a nightmare to equip them, but if you've got the bits for a slender mod and convert just about every leering stalker head (and disarmed blast cannon) you can find into negative weight spheres,* it's doable. The fun times begin immediately afterwards.
Observations on swarm racks:
You cannot load them, nor reload them.
They do not need to be loaded to be fired.
They do not consume HE missiles when fired, loaded or not. Ammo is irrelevant to them.
The 204 lbs of HE missiles chrome pyramids carry are subterfuge.
You can chew through a good third to forth of a map's walls in about two or three shots, if you aim it right.
This is ridiculous, reward for killing chrome pyramids or not.

Also, mostly unrelated to that, it turns out I was wrong about it being cloned chrome pyramids that cause the buggy HE missiles. Happens whenever you disarm one of the missiles the pyramids have equipped, not when they get cloned or whatev'.

*Though it's probably worth mention that's not as troublesome as it might seem, since disarming and decapitation is with zero doubt, so far as I've noticed, the best way to kill leering stalkers (and the pyramids themselves, but they don't give bits needed for the spheres). If you're loitering in swarm rack territory getting the bottleneck 7 bits is probably not going to be a substantiative issue.

[getter77]

Added legendary gunsmiths. You'll find their workshops as new overland encounters.
Added secluded distilleries.
Added legendary ichor merchants and new overland encounters for their distilleries.
Added a new music track "Moghra'yi Remembrance Circle" to desert areas
Legendary creatures guarding the relic chests on the last levels of historic sites are now leaders of their respective cults.
Relic quests now properly complete when you equip or activate the relic directly from a chest.
You no longer get multiple chronology entries for visiting the same historic site.
Fixed an exception when looking at cybernetic credit wedges.
Move Up and Move Down keybinds will now cycle through multiple objects in a cell in look mode
Added UI options to show or hide plants and pools in the nearby items list, defaults to hide
The new UI multiple-choice dialog now correctly supports capitalized hotkeys
Taught the AI to use: bezerk, force wall and the new long blades tree
Updated several NPCs and creatures to the new skills
Reduced the frequency of several items of stacked walls and furniture occuring in a single cell in areas generated by the historic-style dungeon builder
Changed XP Bar to more conventionally display percentage of progress through only the current level's xp
Fixed dismember allowing you to dismember with non-axe weapons
Fixed invisible objects showing up in the nearby items list
Fixed issues with relics with several stat boosts not being properly displayed, applied or removed
Fixed issue with relics applying their boosts in inappropriate slots
Fixed some layout issues with the popup choice window
Fixed some issues with level stacking of mutation power-granting relics
Fixed the trade button in the new ui conversation screen being un-navigable
Fixed XP and HP bars sometimes not resizing properly
Fixed fungal infections dropping as items
Fixed fungal infection items showing up on dynamic tables
Fixed a few rare cases where Calloused's bonuses would stop applying
Fixed some cases where you'd end up with multiple stairs up in a square
Fixed some cases where you'd end up with a missing stairs down
Fixed many effects that were incorrectly rendering in non-active zones
Improved the layout of conversations
Improved the readability of the selection highlight on new ui dialogs
[modding] Added stat:<statid>:<amount> wish to modify a stat basevalue
[modding] Added statbonus:<statid>:<amount> wish to modify a stat bonus
[modding] Added statpenalty:<statid>:<amount> wish to modify a stat penality
[modding] Added xp:<amount> to award a given amount of experience
[modding] Added cureglotrot and cureironshank wishes
[prerelease content] Metamorphosis no longer duplicates inventory and non-natural equipment and transfers your own equipment during transformations.

[lemon10]

Throwing a few responses out there to Frumples lengthy posts.

E: Uh. Okay, today let's talk swarm racks for a second. It's a nightmare to equip them, but if you've got the bits for a slender mod and convert just about every leering stalker head (and disarmed blast cannon) you can find into negative weight spheres,* it's doable. The fun times begin immediately afterwards.
Observations on swarm racks:
You cannot load them, nor reload them.
They do not need to be loaded to be fired.
They do not consume HE missiles when fired, loaded or not. Ammo is irrelevant to them.
The 204 lbs of HE missiles chrome pyramids carry are subterfuge.
You can chew through a good third to forth of a map's walls in about two or three shots, if you aim it right.
This is ridiculous, reward for killing chrome pyramids or not.

I mean, if you do fulfill all those requirements (combo mental and physical mutant with like 25 willpower, 23 int (and tinker 2), 17 strength, 13 levels is both clairvoyance and teleportation, having the phase mutation), you can use them, but given that its really difficult to actually get there in that it requires very specific builds to kill it, and even once you do what drops is useless aside from the edge case of having 30 spheres of negative weight. Plus if you can kill a chrome pyramid you can murder everything with impunity by that point anyways it doesn't really matter.

Re: Beguiled creatures.
Yeah, creatures equipped with armor and weaponry are pretty silly. Given that with good equipment you can get like +14AV on top of their default AV they get pretty impossible to kill by enemies with regular attacks. I tend to avoid giving them ranged weapons though, since they kind of suck at using them (stopping like 15 spaces away and just firing till they kill it or run out of ammo) as well as missing like every shot. Finally, either the weapon is nearly useless at that stage or it can murder you as well if you get in their way.

Also note that if you get dominate creature you can control your beguiled creature as well, and thus change their equipment. Or more interestingly, buy skills and mutations for them with the points they get when they level up.

Also, a finding of my own: Ironshanks gives you a pretty huge AV bonus once the disease has progressed a lot. Yes, you move at the speed of molasses, but it doesn't matter that much when the disease gives you a +8 AV (for a total of like 14 AV on my lightly armored dude) and you don't need to move thanks to all your mental mutations being able to kill at range and how your follower can murder all the chaff for you.

Re: Fungus.
Yeah, I just run away from any fungus screen the instant I see it. It isn't worth the risk of getting infected. Although Glowcrust can actually be decently useful early on in both the luminous hoarshroom (which acts as a cold resist+salve injector) and how the Glowcrust itself gives you a small cold resist bonus.

Re: Salve injection time
As far as I am aware salves take a turn to inject, which can indeed totally kill you.

[Frumple]

why did this get so long DX

I mean, if you do fulfill all those requirements (combo mental and physical mutant with like 25 willpower, 23 int (and tinker 2), 17 strength, 13 levels is both clairvoyance and teleportation, having the phase mutation), you can use them, but given that its really difficult to actually get there in that it requires very specific builds to kill it, and even once you do what drops is useless aside from the edge case of having 30 spheres of negative weight. Plus if you can kill a chrome pyramid you can murder everything with impunity by that point anyways it doesn't really matter.

Eehh, you don't need 13 in clair or teleport; 10's safest with clairvoyance, since it gives full map and cuts the chance of being ambushed to more or less nil, but less is doable and more is pretty much entirely useless. Similarly, teleport maxes its CD at 10, iirc, and won't go lower than a 5 baseline... and conceptually you can get away with having it higher than I did, so long as it's at least lower than the duration of your phase. The mutation cost is pretty hefty, though, yeah. One way or another you need teleport and clairvoyance (5, 2), you want phasing (4), and two-headed helps a lot with getting your tele CD down low enough it's safe to use (2, plus it effectively bundles in an eventual +3 ego from the second face slot), so if you want to start with it you're looking at an ideal of 13, just shy of fitting in the base 12. Oddly enough, it might be pretty safe to go with hooks for feet for this setup, since you ultimately don't really need to move much and until you reach lowest CD 'port you can still lean on it hard enough to get you out of (or into, heh) trouble. You could also go with skimping on phasing, conceptually, and roll with injectors for your phase -- it'd be a lot more annoying (voiders aren't necessarily the hardest thing in the world to find, but they're not particularly common either, nor is their gland rate the highest in the world) and a bit riskier, but you could do it. Either way you'd have another 3 points to work with,* so that's not that bad. Scry and die's hella' useful anyway, particularly if you're going tinker.

Stat wise... you can actually skimp on ego a bit, especially if you go two-headed; if you can reach the point you're getting ready to try a pyramid, you're past the point you can whack seekers until you cut off a couple faces and net yourself that cool +6. I'd guess something like a 17/17/16/18/20/14? Something along those lines. Start tinker and all you'd need is 3 int and a bit of will... could probably even manage not putting any actual attribute points into int at all, and save 'em for will. Most potentially irritating part is getting strength up for dismember/decapitate, but I suppose you could get by with just a serrated longsword or two, it'd just take longer to stab the mostly helpless pyramid to death.

Basically, it's not really that bad from a requirement standpoint, I don't think. It's also a setup that could totally kill pyramids but still get wrecked by a fair few things out there, heh. Key to the whole thing is surprise disarm on something that doesn't really have a response to it (well, and presumably bug abuse with the phase/swipe interaction, ehehe), and there's plenty in the game that either have nothing that can be disarmed or can still blow you up with a mutation or grenade or somethin'.

... that said, re: the swarm racks and the above, it's also a setup that happens to be able to farm leering stalkers even more easily than it does the pyramids, and it turns out both the blast cannons you disarm in the process and their heads (removing which is about the only realistic way you're going to kill them) can be disassembled into 7s, which is the very thing spheres of negative weight need to craft, heh. You'd have to kill like fifteen or twenty to get it reasonable (bit shy of 40 otherwise, less if you can weght-mod the rack), but once you can safely 'port/swipe their weapons killing fifteen or twenty stalkers isn't much more difficult than mowing down snapjaws, if significantly more time consuming.

What it all boils down to is I'd probably recommend either stalkers and pyramids can't be disarmed (natural weapon, basically), or they have some sort of melee backup that's more meaningful than an unarmed fist attack. Rest of it's mostly just for fun, heh.

*EMP would be an obvious one, and possibly open things up for less teleport investment (it could get you another turn or three to let 'port cool off without getting a face full of swarm rack), ego projection might help with making the swipe check (Or meeting the strength req? I haven't taken proj to check if that works, yet) and leave room for a 1 pointer. Burgeoning would be pretty solid if you're going two-headed, too, since it's freakishly overpowered and you can get its CD just as low as you can the 'port.** There's room to play around, there.

**Which is just a complete mess, by the by. Was screwing around at one point and managed to more or less indefinitely block pyramid swarm volleys just by sticking an unending wave of plants between me and the pyramid. You'd think the relatively limited range on the thing would make explosives more dangerous, but if you get burgeoning to a 1-2 turn cooldown, most ranged stuff that doesn't pierce might as well no longer exist. Pretty sure you can chuck grenades over most plants, too...

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Also, totally didn't know about the dominate thing. Seriously going to have try that, and soon :3

[beorn080]

At one point burgeoning was CRIMINALLY easy to get to a one turn cooldown. Lets just say taking it, temporal fugue, and evil twin was not the best idea ever. However, it does make an interesting way to farm low end plant materials, and possibly a way to farm cash.

[lemon10]

Nope, you need to get teleportation to 12 to get it down to 5 cooldown.
10 gets you to 25, which is just not quite enough to have it lower then phasing outside of maxed phasing and high (24) willpower. 11 is much easier, requiring both much less phasing and willpower.

Claravoyance+sunder mind is pretty damn amusing too, given that you can kill literally anything that isn't a robot and doesn't have a mind sheild without them even seeing you.

It is a neat plan though, but I don't think I'll use it since I am far too addicted to playing pure mental mutants with 24 points in ego (who with a good face can get all the way up to level 13 mutations without even buying a single mutation level).

[Frumple]

Yeah, I have trouble convincing myself to go pure physical or mental, mutation wise, though it's easier with physical. At the absolute least two headed is both cheap and freakishly helpful for anything using mental mutations, heh. CD reduction and an extra +3 ego? Yesplease.

Though huh, could have sworn port hit bottom at 10. Might have been because I've always been using it with the extra head? That's... still not really a problem, though. Even that base of 14 has pretty much zero problem building up +2 or so ego bonus from somewhere. Could probably even go a point or two lower, heh. 14 would only need two +all levels to hit it, if you have two headed and that second face. Honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, it kinda' seems like ego may just be the easiest stat in the game to buff...

All that said, a pure mental critter would still be pretty capable of doing stalkers without much trouble (if your AV and health is decent-ish, you don't even particularly need to phase), and could use injectors to cover the lack of phase if for whatever reason you wanted pyramid faces. _{actually, pyramid heads are about the only reliable source of 8s I've noticed, so...}

E: Heh. Doing the beguile/dominate thing (also picked up two-headed, teleport, and teleport other, with hooks to offset the cost). Accident with an open door lead to me beguiling a watervine farmer, and now I'm wondering why exactly mehmet needed to send you to red rock. This critter's murdering everything that moves down here, and about the most I'm doing is occasionally shooting something with a bow. And so far all he's picked up is basic axe proficiency! And another axe. _{and armor. 5 AV/8DV is nice for this point in the game}

Also the farmer just killed a second snapjaw shotgunner. Actually hurt it a fair bit (and near killed me in the process), but the farmer is still winning.

E2: Aww, nevermind. Fight with a snapjaw warlord, brute, scavenger, and two hunters killed the thing. To its credit, the only thing that survived was the hunters, heh.

E3: That said, bug! At least with this hunter that has heightened hearing, if you go to look at the mutation description it reads

Code: [Select]

<description>

This level:
<Does level 1 stuff>

Next level:
<Does level 2 stuff>Otherwise appears normal, though.

Also swapping bodies is... apparently a level transition? Be nice if it didn't count towards <areas until autosave> increments...

E4: Ah, no, that last one's not consistent. Maybe it's heightened hearing causing nearby maps to be generated? Something's doing it, anyway.

Also this hunter's color is changing when I dominate it. Been from red to white to green so far. Might be something specifically with ASCII mode, I'unno.

[Aquillion]

E3: That said, bug! At least with this hunter that has heightened hearing, if you go to look at the mutation description it reads

Code: [Select]

<description>

This level:
<Does level 1 stuff>

Next level:
<Does level 2 stuff>Otherwise appears normal, though.

Almost every NPC-only mutation looks like that currently; they just haven't had their descriptions implemented yet.

[getter77]

We added hatters, glovers, armorers, and haberdashers.
Added hatter, glover, armorer, and haberdasher tents to the Stiltgrounds.
Added legendary hatter, glover, armorer, and haberdashers. You'll find their workshops as new overland encounters.
Descending into a pit or open air while flying no longer grounds you.
Added more variety to the geometry of historic sites.
The Quest screen now has a scrollbar, scrolls smoothly, and properly wraps text.
Added an option to scale the minimap (under Overlay UI).
Added an option to scale the nearby items list (under Overlay UI).
Monster AI now uses the Cudgel powers Conk, Slam, and Demolish.
Monster AI now considers broken and rusted item statuses when equipping gear.
Oboroqoru and rhinoxes now have a few more cudgel powers.
Slam now properly requires a cudgel to use.
Liquid volumes no longer interfere with other smart-useable objects.
'Spread Klanq' quest steps now properly complete when you spread Klanq to the proper targets.
Made the Pax Klanq quest sequence a bit more robust.
You can no longer choose a square without a target when you charge.
Creatures that live on walls no longer spawn in the middle of a solid group of walls.
Fixed some cases where objects spawned on stairs.
Consuming an Eater's fleshcap no longer permanently decreases quickness.
For clarity, we renamed 'Eater's flesh' to 'elcatl' and 'Eater's fleshcap' to 'Eater's flesh'.
If you have burrowing claws and you use a skulk injector, you no longer lose your claws when the effect wears off.
Made it clear that invoking the Chaos Spiel infuriates Asphodel.
Added more messaging for shaking off dazings and stuns.
Fixed some rare cases where commands were being issued twice in the overlay UI.
Fixed some cases where overlay UI elements incorrectly displayed on top of each other.
Fixed an issue causing the selected conversation option not to be highlighted when a conversation started.
Fixed some rare cases where dismembered limbs didn't drop the items they had equipped.
Fixed some rare occurrences of objects cloning themselves when slipping on slime.
Fixed a rare hang during map generation.
Cleaned up the text for becoming afraid.
Fixed a typo in the hulk honey damage message.
Removed <redacted> and <redacted> from dynamic encounters.

[getter77]

We added a new drag-and-drop prerelease inventory screen for the new UI. It's available via the "Prerelease: Use overlay inventory screen." option under overlay UI options. It's work in progress and has some bugs. Feedback is welcome!
Equipment is manageable via a drag-and-drop procedurally generated paper doll based on your character's body
Left click to bring up the item's interaction window
Right click to view an item's tooltip
Filter buttons along the top allow you to quickly filter to specific categories
Updated the stilt well picker dialog
Updated the pour choices dialog
Fixed several issues with screens under the current popup acquiring input or navigation selection
Fixed the AI trying to force prison a target and then shoot it with light manipulation
Fixed Enuch's character creation skill list
Fixed some stair placement issues in bethesda susa
Fixed an issue where phase webs would sometimes leave you permanently phased if you saved while you were stuck in them
Fixed some historic-style areas not having proper tile surface paint
Fixed an issue with move-speed adjusting equipment not properly applying bonuses
Fixed an issue with call to arms that wasn't properly respawning Q Girl in the correct circumstances.
Fixed dynmically mixed liquid volumes not having the proper vapor temperatures
Fixed a stack overflow error when containers disintegrated on the ground from contained fluids
[modding] Merged blueprint changes will now propagate changes to children

[getter77]

We made a bunch of enhancements to the paper doll equipment screen. It's still flagged as prerelease content, but you can enable it here: Options > Overlay UI > Prerelease: Use over inventory screen.
The new overlay inventory is now also used for item pickup and container manipulation.
Item filters now entirely hide the filtered categories.
Item filter buttons now properly respond to the 'use' key.
You can page up and down now.
You can use + and - to open and close item categories.
Items are now properly sorted alphabetically.
Fixed several filter icons in the inventory list.
Fixed some issues with scrolling through the inventory list or the paper doll.
Updated the look and behavior of many graphical elements.
Item selection is now properly restored when the screen refreshes.
If the overlay UI and inventory are enabled, the original equipment screen doesn't appear when you tab through your character screens.
Added tiles for several pieces of natural equipment.
wings
carapace
horns
stinger
quills
burrowing claws
flaming and freezing hands
Added a tile for mechanical wings.
Updated torch tiles.
Sultans now occasionally fake their own deaths or have their deaths wrongly reported.
Added some sultan events involving chariot accidents.
Improved the grammar of sultan history snippets.
Fixed some cases where looking at a painted or engraved item didn't reveal the proper historic site or give the right quest.
Fixed an issue that was causing the secrets about the location of the Ruin of House Isner not to appear in procedurally-generated books. The secrets are back in!
Added a new textbook to the corpus of text that the procedurally-generated books draw from.
Fixed an issue that caused the player to occasionally become a member of the Beasts faction, resulting in neutral NPCs acting hostile toward you.
Added new options to the main Options screen.
Display vignette
Display scanlines
Brightness level
Contrast level
[debug] Added a wish to clear the player's faction membership: "clearfactionmembership". You can use this wish to fix the hostile NPC bug in older saves.
[modding] The look cursor is now more compatible with full-color tiles.
[modding] Display.txt is now moddable. You only need to include the text you want to override in Display.txt. For example, here's the full text of a mod that disables the vignette:
{ "shaders":{
"vignette":{
"enable":"false" }}}
[modding] Display.txt now supports a "tiles" category with "width" and "height" variables. You can use it to reskin the game with an alternate tile aspect ratio.

[getter77]

We added a new input manager that supports gamepads out of the box. It's still prerelease content; we'll be expanding support and tweaking the default bindings in the coming weeks.
Added a new options menu: Controls. You can access key bindings and enable the new input manager from this menu.
The default movement mapping is: left stick to point in a direction + right trigger to move. You can also hold down right trigger and point the left stick around to move quickly.
You can also rebind to direct movement. If you do, the Move North/South/East/West commands tilt 45 degrees right when you hold the Alt button (left trigger by default). So, to move NE, you hold left trigger and move north.
These are the current default mappings on an Xbox controller.
left stick + right trigger: move
A: interact
B: get
X: ability menu
Y: walk (move in a direction until you hit a wall)
left bumper: wait a turn
right bumper: fire missile weapon
dpad up: go up stairs or to the worldmap
dpad down: go down stairs or to the local map
right stick: look
click right stick: reload missile weapon
select: menu
start: inventory
left trigger + B: get nearby
left trigger + Y: autoexplore
left trigger + left bumper: rest until healed
left trigger + right bumper: throw
Added, changed, or tweak tiles for the following objects.
pocketed vest
black, ash-stained, and cloth robes
furs
woven and vine-weave tunics
wool kilt
crude and filthy toga
bark armor
ring mail
basic toolkit
stun rod
box of crayons
Joppa and Grit Gate recoilers
iron mace
grenades
albino monkey braid
Glass bottles now visually respect the liquids they hold. They appear empty when they're empty; otherwise they show the color of the liquid they contain.
Updated the slimy shaft tile.
Added options for fullscreen mode and target framerate (Options > General).
Improved the navigability of the overlay options.
Fixed books and artifact stories not working when accessed from the new inventory screen.
Fixed monsters being able to melee attack you through floors if they were directly above or below.
Fixed very excessive memory use when browsing the contents of a container that contains many items, particularly liquid volumes.
Fixed an exception on the Quests screen.
Fixed several cases of excessive garbage generation.
Removed some baseobjects (basefloat, tool) from dynamic encounters.