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[Leafsnail]

True, but I have a nasty temper. The point was, we're raised from babies that "it isn't OK to hit girls". Never once in my life have I been told "it isn't OK to hit boys".

You've never been told just... not to hit people?  That was what I got...

The problem I believe, is that the first and second waves had their reasons. But here's  the problem. The third wave I think threw this whole thing into "Women are superior to men" and that is the general attitude of feminism these days. This view is especially popular around Europe. My sister is a feminist and she claims that it isn't about "women are better than men" it's about equality. Frankly if they wanted equality they shouldn't call it "feminism"

I think you may need some sources there.  Can't really argue against something so ill defined.

As for the actual name... well, the idea is to stand up for women's rights, so why not call it feminism?  Political causes are allowed to focus on one issue or one group of people.

[Urist is dead tome]

http://feministlookingglass.com/2010/02/28/shedding-clothes-in-the-ukraine-for-womens-rights/

Specifically this group. To put it simply they are a crazed radical group. This same group made public appearances criticizing the government of Ukraine for being Olympic failures simply because the president was a man. And Leafsnail, feminism should be over. They got what they wanted. Now they want combat jobs and the draft.

[tomas1297]

 My thoughts on feminism are the same as my thoughts on racism prevention. It's great, but makes the "abused" group the one which actually has more rights. <_<

Edit: Also chivalry is bullshit. People should treat others well because of respect, not some stupid standards....

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Now they want combat jobs and the draft.

I see no good reason why women shouldn't be included in the draft. If women wish to fight in war, then it should be allowed. Sure, you could raise complaint in that women have a natural disadvantage in this field of work, but this doesn't make every woman incapable of fighting. We should base who can and who cannot become a soldier on skill alone.

[Leafsnail]

Wow... you link to an article which you apparently haven't read.  These seem to just be women who take their clothes off to protest about things.  Not sure how effective it is, but it's not really related to the form of feminism you're complaining about.

And Leafsnail, feminism should be over. They got what they wanted. Now they want combat jobs and the draft.

So, women have achieved complete political and economic equality with men?  Hey, must've missed that.

PPE:

My thoughts on feminism are the same as my thoughts on racism prevention. It's great, but makes the "abused" group the one which actually has more rights. <_<

Edit: Also chivalry is bullshit. People should treat others well because of respect, not some stupid standards....

This strange form of chivalry isn't a law.  It's your choice whether you want to adhere to it or not.

[Urist is dead tome]

That a terrible idea! If a woman is good at shooting but can't carry her equipment. SHE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED on the battlefield. To be a soldier you must be strong above all things. Women aren't as strong as men. This is an undeniable fact.

[Heron TSG]

Edit: Also chivalry is bullshit. People should treat others well because of respect, not some stupid standards....

What if you hold yourself to 'some stupid standards' out of respect for everyone?

Women aren't as strong as men. This is an undeniable fact.

Wrong. Not all women are as strong as men. I've seen some girls on my track team that can hurl a discus further than all but one or two of the guys, and I could easily see them joining the military. In fact, one already enlisted.

On the flipside, not all men should be forced into battle. Personally, if I were drafted, I wouldn't last very long. I'm a runner; I don't carry things. I have terrible aim.

[tomas1297]

That a terrible idea! If a woman is good at shooting but can't carry her equipment. SHE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED on the battlefield. To be a soldier you must be strong above all things. Women aren't as strong as men. This is an undeniable fact.

Really now... Women are only weaker by average because of standards. They're not EXPECTED to do jobs that require a lot of strength and that's why they don't get strong. We're not born strong, we make ourselves strong. Also there are female weightlifters, which are much stronger than an average man.

 @Barbarossa : If we held onto that standard out of respect it wouldn't be a standard. Standards are something we obey because most believe it's right. Respect is something personal.

[Heron TSG]

I have personal standards, and I'm fairly certain I do it out of respect for other people. If I obeyed my own standards just because everyone else thought they were cool, they wouldn't be personal standards.

[Urist is dead tome]

Women on average (Should have worded it better the first time.) are not as strong as men. And women weightlifters are significantly less strong than male weightlifters. And not all men would be forced into battle. And I assure you if you got drafted you'd come back from training with better aim. @Tomas. Those standards have become normal to work. People are going to office jobs and near everyone works in an office.

[Leafsnail]

That a terrible idea! If a woman is good at shooting but can't carry her equipment. SHE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED on the battlefield. To be a soldier you must be strong above all things. Women aren't as strong as men. This is an undeniable fact.

You can deal with it on a case by case basis.  That's one of the things feminism can focus on - the right to be judged by your own merits, not the merits of an arbitrary group.

[DJ]

I'm a die-hard feminist. I believe in splitting bills or taking turns when buying dinners, not cutting women any slack just because of their gender, I expect them to put in as much work into things as men do, and I give them the same kind of respect as I give to men if they have no problem with the above stuff (if they do, they're lazy and selfish and thus don't deserve my respect).

Just last night I had a chance to stand up for my feminist principles, but I failed. There were four of us hanging in my car at the local lake, one of them a chick. She needed to take a leak and wanted me to drive her back to town so she can do it at a pub, but I told her to go behind the bushes like the rest of us since I was low on gas and it's very expensive over here. But then everyone turned on me, mostly because there's a foot of snow outside, and I caved in

[Neonivek]

I believe in splitting bills or taking turns when buying dinners, not cutting women any slack just because of their gender

You pay for women as a bribe or gift. It isn't slack for them so much as a weight put on you.

The weight put on women in the exchange is that they are expected to "pay" for these gifts.

So yeah Double Standard sucks all over. I can understand why women get particularly steamed when you mention double standard affecting men, since it is no where as bad... but still.

She needed to take a leak and wanted me to drive her back to town so she can do it at a pub, but I told her to go behind the bushes like the rest of us since I was low on gas and it's very expensive over here. But then everyone turned on me, mostly because there's a foot of snow outside, and I caved in

It is significantly different for a woman to go in the bushes then a man. I wouldn't want to go in a bush if I had a vegina, and was somehow still a man, either.

As least if my knowledge of biology is correct.

[Earthquake Damage]

Women aren't as strong as men. This is an undeniable fact.

You made me think of Anchorman.  Thinking of that is a good thing.

Relevant line:  "You're just a woman with a small brain.  With a brain a third the size of us.  It's science."

[Neonivek]

Women aren't as strong as men. This is an undeniable fact.

You made me think of Anchorman.  Thinking of that is a good thing.

Relevant line:  "You're just a woman with a small brain.  With a brain a third the size of us.  It's science."

From what I understand about intelligence between men and women

Men have more varience between the intelligence levels while women have less varience

Though altogether they are just as intelligent.