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[Urist is dead tome]

The title said it all. This is a discussion about the idea and principles of feminism over the course of the years. Please keep it clean and stay on politics.

[Earthquake Damage]

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You declare the beginning of a discussion without offering any viewpoint to discuss.

This is a discussion about the idea nad principles of feminism over the course of the years.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

[fqllve]

and stay on politics.

I guess this is a viewpoint we could discuss, since feminist theory doesn't necessarily mean politics. But we aren't allowed to discuss it.

[Realmfighter]

You see a thread without content falling towards page two far to slowly, and the first thing you do is post about it not having any content?

God dammit, fine you bastards.

I think Feminism kind of out dated because chauvinism is socially unacceptable and the only things are subconscious assumptions that are virtually impossible to change and will only disappear with time not activism.

Lets do this.

[Zrk2]

Feminism is essentially the idea that women are the exact same as men, which is true except physically and in how they handle situations (Due to different horomones or reactions coded into genetics left over from when humans had to fight to survive [which is why women like strong men; they feel that they can defend them]).

[breadbocks]

I'd say the biggest issue with feminism today and "empowered" women is the double standards that they apply constantly.

"What do you mean you want to be treated equally? Fine. *Punches out woman* What? I don't like you. You said you wanted to be treated equally. I punch out guys I don't like."

[Earthquake Damage]

I'd say the biggest issue with feminism today and "empowered" women is the double standards that they apply constantly.

"What do you mean you want to be treated equally? Fine. *Punches out woman* What? I don't like you. You said you wanted to be treated equally. I punch out guys I don't like."

Compare "Equality vs Chivalry" to "Have Cake vs Eat Cake"

[Urist is dead tome]

I'd say the biggest issue with feminism today and "empowered" women is the double standards that they apply constantly.

I think that the double standards are why this thing can't last. For example: They have all woman gyms, a man opens a gym for men, now he's got a lawsuit. (Please note the exaggeration.) But really many college campuses in Europe have "equality officers" which is an offensively stupid idea.

[Sowelu]

"Act as though 'total equality' is the current status quo" versus "Actively seek to tilt the status quo away from a male-dominated society".

I've got nothing against feminism (option 2), though I prefer to take option 1 myself.

As for women being unequal in physical ability:  Any two people are unequal in physical ability.  Judge everyone on their own merits.

Where I went to university, some of my engineering classes had more women then men, and my coding classes had only slightly fewer.  The women seemed to get better grades, and seemed to have a higher awesomeness quotient overall (IE, I'd wind up in a group with two guys who were total squares, and one girl who had pink-red hair and was a black belt in Aikido).

Chivalry shouldn't be directed towards women; it should be directed only and always towards whoever you are courting.

Socially, people seem to like to hang out within their own gender.  They also seem to like to hang out within their own native language, their own skin color, whatever.  No big.

[Karlito]

What do you mean you want to be treated equally? Fine. *Punches out woman* What? I don't like you. You said you wanted to be treated equally. I punch out guys I don't like."

I'd think that anyone you punched would have good reason to be upset.

[Urist is dead tome]

She had pink hair and was a black belt because she was empowered. The only thing you could do then is alert the authorities . But seriously women ARE getting into colleges/universities more. And seriously, Chivalry is dead and SHOULD be dead. If women want total equality give it to them.

[SalmonGod]

Very much in favor of equality and have never given it too much thought, because I naturally treat everyone pretty much equally, including women.

The one thing that really pisses me off, though, is the aforementioned remnants of chivalry + feminism creating this somewhere in-between social status that is so easily abusable.  Women can treat men however they like and any manner of self-defense can result in a shitstorm of ridicule and hatred toward the man.  I'm pretty sure in some states it is standard procedure to arrest the male in any domestic conflict, regardless of the situation.

I knew one guy whose girlfriend had a hysterical fit and he restrained her because she was breaking things and endangering herself.  Neighbor called the police who showed up, saw bruises on her wrists, and arrested him.  The girl had calmed down and pleaded with police to leave him alone, openly admitted she was at fault and didn't want to press charges.  Police replied that it didn't matter because the state was going to press charges per standard policy.

But then I understand in many places of the world things are still the exact opposite.  I wonder if there's any place where the middle ground exists.

[Realmfighter]

You say middle ground, you mean perfection.

Also no.

[SalmonGod]

You say middle ground, you mean perfection.

Also no.

It's annoying when people deny that there can be anything between absolutely ridiculous and perfect.  Something I would refer to as simply acceptable.

[breadbocks]

(IE, I'd wind up in a group with two guys who were total squares, and one girl who had pink-red hair and was a black belt in Aikido).

No kidding. A surprising amount of people are rather adept at martial arts. eg. I have a cousin who is 13 and has been a TKD black-belt since she was 11. The majority don't go walking around in their belts.

What do you mean you want to be treated equally? Fine. *Punches out woman* What? I don't like you. You said you wanted to be treated equally. I punch out guys I don't like."

I'd think that anyone you punched would have good reason to be upset.

True, but I have a nasty temper. The point was, we're raised from babies that "it isn't OK to hit girls". Never once in my life have I been told "it isn't OK to hit boys".

If women want total equality give it to them.

No. If women want equality, expect equality, not to be spoon fed, and at the slightest complaint, freak out over how they were the victims of sexism.

Very much in favor of equality and have never given it too much thought, because I naturally treat everyone pretty much equally, including women.

The one thing that really pisses me off, though, is the aforementioned remnants of chivalry + feminism creating this somewhere in-between social status that is so easily abusable.  Women can treat men however they like and any manner of self-defense can result in a shitstorm of ridicule and hatred toward the man.  I'm pretty sure in some states it is standard procedure to arrest the male in any domestic conflict, regardless of the situation.

I knew one guy whose girlfriend had a hysterical fit and he restrained her because she was breaking things and endangering herself.  Neighbor called the police who showed up, saw bruises on her wrists, and arrested him.  The girl had calmed down and pleaded with police to leave him alone, openly admitted she was at fault and didn't want to press charges.  Police replied that it didn't matter because the state was going to press charges per standard policy.

But then I understand in many places of the world things are still the exact opposite.  I wonder if there's any place where the middle ground exists.

This sums up my thoughts pretty damn well. Society has become so complex in it's niceties that every time a situation like the above crops up, the "empowered" women's groups would just use the case as an example to farther their cause, completely out of context, and so the male in the situation, who was just trying to save the female gets in trouble, because he didn't let her solve her own problems independently.

All in all, I'd say women either need to drop the double standards, or get used to being treated worse than guys by guys. End of story.