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Re: 2012
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2010, 06:00:12 pm »

You can't create a calendar that goes forever
I disagree. Currently, one second is defined to be "the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.". I can use that, and working from some arbitrary "zero" point, assign any point in time a number of seconds (which can then be expressed in terms of hours, days, years, etc). After a point it might not coincide with the rotation and orbit of earth, but I can still make the calender.
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Re: 2012
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2010, 05:40:50 am »

No. Because:

1: You can't create a calendar that goes forever.
2: There were a lot of predictions of the world ending, none of which were true.
3: ...The world already ended for the Mayans...

I believe Cleveland Mark Blakemore is right.  The world will end in 1999, or 2001, or whenever his latest doomsday prediction was. :P
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Re: 2012
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2010, 06:07:54 am »

1: You can't create a calendar that goes forever.

Uh... Yes you can. The Gregorian calendar goes forever. As does the Mayan. In fact, I don't know of any calendar that couldn't be extended arbitrarily far to the future. As time approaches infinity, it will eventually rack up more digits than the universe has particles, but that doesn't really matter. :P

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Meeeh. You can't have more digits than the universe has particles. After all, every digit is stored in one way or another - be it with electrons or ink or anything. The largest number which can be possibly displayed is ultimately tied to the number of stuff in the universe.
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Re: 2012
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2010, 10:55:22 am »

Meeeh. You can't have more digits than the universe has particles. After all, every digit is stored in one way or another - be it with electrons or ink or anything. The largest number which can be possibly displayed is ultimately tied to the number of stuff in the universe.

That is a problem that isn't actually a problem. In practice, your calendar is bound by the medium you are using to track it. The whole Y2K bollocks was a great example. If you only assign two digits for the "year" variable, you'll run into trouble in less than a hundred years. However, if the upper limit is high enough, for example the number of particles in the universe, you will never ever run into a situation where that would be the bottleneck stopping you from recording more years. Estimating the amount of particles in the universe is more or less flat out impossible, but Answers.com gives a guess that it could be somewhere around 10^82. If we are storing our integer in binary, by placing particles in a row so that each particle is either a one or a zero, we get an upper bound of 2^(10^82). In base ten, this is about 10^(10^81.5). When the Sun is extinguished in five billion years or so, you will have 10^(10^81.5) particles left. This number is so preposterously large that even waiting for the heat death of the universe will not dent it.

Well, if you stored the date in base one, by tossing particles into a bag so that every particle was a single year, you'd only have 10^82 years to work with, which would be considerably less. Still plenty, though.

Ooh! If you used an EXPONENTIAL calendar, so that first you mark down one year, wait two years for the next mark, and four for the next, and store the number in binary, you'd get 2^(2^(10^82)). Of course, you'd need some way to measure the time between marked years, which could become an issue.

I seem to have kind of strayed away from the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make was that you only need to be capable of displaying numbers for as long as there exists some entity capable of observing the numbers. When the heat death of the universe rolls around, and the universe is a dark, dissipating cloud of dead stars, it doesn't really matter whether your chosen calendar system is still capable of displaying the year.

I guess this kind of ties back to the doomsday predictions. By the time the Gregorian calendar runs out of space to show the numbers, the world will probably have ended. :P
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Re: 2012
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2010, 07:08:44 pm »

2: There were a lot of predictions of the world ending, none of which were true.
3: ...The world already ended for the Mayans...

Please see the other posts in this thread. I have already proven that the Mayans successfully predicted the destruction of their own civilization three times.
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Re: 2012
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2010, 07:16:27 pm »

My predictions for 2012:
There will be tornado's, earthquakes and floods. There will be volcanic eruptions the size of which can't be estimated at this point. There will be tsunami's, both of water and of refugees.
People will die, towns will vanish and companies will fade into obscurity. Corruption and oppression will run rampant. There will be wars, revolutions and bloodshed. The year will end with many explosions and people all over the world will watch in awe as others get burned or even die in this pandemonium.


My predictions for 2013:
Exactly the same.
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Re: 2012
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2010, 07:18:05 pm »

My predictions for 2012:
There will be tornado's, earthquakes and floods. There will be volcanic eruptions the size of which can't be estimated at this point. There will be tsunami's, both of water and of refugees.
People will die, towns will vanish and companies will fade into obscurity. Corruption and oppression will run rampant. There will be wars, revolutions and bloodshed. The year will end with many explosions and people all over the world will watch in awe as others get burned or even die in this pandemonium.


My predictions for 2013:
Exactly the same.


You realize you've just described every year of human history, right?
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Re: 2012
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2010, 07:20:09 pm »

the point ---->


Your head \0/
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Re: 2012
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2010, 07:23:48 pm »

I got the point. Sarcasm works badly over the internet. And since when did I have a head?
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Re: 2012
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2010, 07:26:10 pm »

The point: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->


some random body part you use for higher cognitive functions: ~&**9)


There, better?
Anyway, if I say something that looks like sarcasm, it often is, unless I continue banging on it in further posts.
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Re: 2012
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2010, 07:29:57 pm »

Bah! Enough of this.
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