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[nomad_delta]

In my current fortress I hit the first cavern layer pretty early and it was filled with water so I just dug a well straight down into it.  I also dug a "garbage chute" and set it so my dwarves toss anything designated for dumping down the hole into the cavern lake.

This worked great for a while, but now various Forgotten Beasts have started flying up the chutes and wreaking havoc inside my fortress.

So a couple questions...

1. Is there any way to protect a well to bring FBs from flying up and through it?  Will the bucket for a well go through a grate?  I'm guessing not, and even if it would the FBs would just building-destroy the grate, right? 

2. I don't have much hope for my "garbage chute", but any ideas on how to protect it?  Yeah, I could just forgo the "realism" of throwing my trash down the hole and just make a "quantum garbage dump" on a single tile... but I kinda think that's cheating so I'd rather not.

Thanks in advance for any tips/ideas/advice!

--nomad_delta

[Ifeno]

i dont have an answer to your chute problem but...why not atom smash all your junk?

[EmperorJon]

Water can flow through fortifications.

#Fort.
~Water

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Sorted. Though you will need to drain the area around. And if the water's more than a tile deep, problems.

[gtmattz]

Yeah, I could just forgo the "realism" of throwing my trash down the hole and just make a "quantum garbage dump" on a single tile... but I kinda think that's cheating so I'd rather not.

Hate to break it to ya, but your current 'realistic' dump is just a quantum stockpile at the bottom of a hole, all that stuff you toss down there is going to be sitting on the same tile.

[Ifeno]

Water can flow through fortifications.

#Fort.
~Water

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Sorted. Though you will need to drain the area around. And if the water's more than a tile deep, problems.

those r still breakable by building destroyers though :S

[Sphalerite]

Fortifications, like all constructions, can't be broken by building-destroyers.  They aren't guaranteed safe, however, since swimming creatures can pass through submerged fortifications.

[dakenho]

I had this problem once, a forgotten beast some how made it through a wall in, through the magma lake, into the fortress, it then died from one punch from some random dwarf civi who spent a while in the hospital


long story short, put your garbage shoots over magma lakes

[BigD145]

Fluids will push things through grates and fortifications. Things that wouldn't normally be able to get through.

I would suggest using a combination of pumps and fort.

[twilightdusk]

Fortifications, like all constructions, can't be broken by building-destroyers.  They aren't guaranteed safe, however, since swimming creatures can pass through submerged fortifications.

What about grates on the other side from a fortification? only thing that can get through would be an aquatic building destroyer right?

[Sphalerite]

Wall grates are the same as fortifications, in that swimming creatures can pass through them while submerged.  Maybe something involving fortifications, then an upward tunnel with a floor grate, but you'd need water pressure to force the water up it.

[Flaede]

Floor grates seem to (sometimes at least) be safe. I had a "washing station" on the surface of a cavern lake - all walled in, but grates for floors. The FB swam right underneath, scared a bunch of dwarves, but couldn't path to them. It is my understanding that floor built things cannot be destroyed from below (except possibly when on top of stairs?)

Wall grates are screwed, though.

[Quietust]

Wall grates are the same as fortifications, in that swimming creatures can pass through them while submerged.

When I tested this in 40d, this was not the case - the only way I could end up inside a submerged grate was by jumping onto it from above, while submerged fortifications offered no hindrance whatsoever.

[nordak]

Can  locked/lever controlled hatches be destroyed if on top of a stairwell? O.o

[Tessien]

I tried to build a dwarven swimming pool, using high water pressure, I've seen 5 dwarves get pushed through a forification, grate, fortification sandwich. So grates are definitely not safe.

[slothen]

Fluids will push things through grates and fortifications. Things that wouldn't normally be able to get through.

I would suggest using a combination of pumps and fort.

this would mean in standing 7/7 water nothing should be able to get through a fortification (aside from a creature made of gas).


I think dwarves can lower buckets through floor grates, but I'm not sure.  As for your garbage chute, dig down right before the cavern opens up, and put a hatch on it, and link it to a lever.  a FB shouldn't be able to destroy it from below, and your garbage will collect on top of it.  Two pulls of the lever and your garbage is dumped and the lid is closed again.