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[Frajic]

Hell, just these exlusives of 2011 convince me PC gaming isn't dead.

I was going to go, 'oh hell, that must be full of modern crap like Fallout 3'.. but then, damn, even if most of the good stuff are just remakes, those are remakes of some amazing games. I tried to hate and be cynical on the DOTA 2 and the Tropico 4 and the Stronghold 3 and JA2 remake, but my heart just melted on seeing Magna Mundi and many of the following ones.

I've said it tons of times, though. Games like DF will keep me from buying a console. Console games are too shallow, IMO, and I'm glad that the semi-casual games and button mashers are moving to console. Don't even put Facebook games under the same category as browser games. Facebook games are their own genre of grinding, microtransactions, and spamming your friends.

I, for one, will be forever happy with the strategy games, true roleplaying games, and indie game prototypes on the PC.

Whats a true rpg? oO

A game where you roleplay?

[nenjin]

It may not've been for the money initially, but once they saw just how big a hype they're generating, the idea of releasing a "shortened version" must've crossed their minds.

Well, be fair though. That's a decision every dev with bills to pay has to make at some point. (Except Toady I guess )

As far as the hype machine on Subversion...it's pretty much non-existent right now. They develop way too slowly to really rely on massive hype. That's one difference between them and Stardock. Chris from Subversion isn't weekly talking about how he wants Subversion to be his magnum opus. (He only does that about once every 3 months.) Stardock does a lot more hype than Introversion, from where I'm sitting. Introversion also seems more interested in exploring concepts than Stardock. Stardock seems like they try to fit the mold of what's out there.

Our goal for 2011 is to make Elemental the definitive fantasy strategy game of this age.  A game that fans of Master of Magic, Age of Wonders, HOMM, DOM3, and other great games will be proud to add to their family of classic games.

If Chris were to try to say the same thing, I think he'd use a movie reference instead. Or reference parts of their other games where appropriate. Stardock wants to capture a market. I think Subversion just wants to make a game they've been planning for a long time, and not go completely broke while doing so.

[MrWiggles]

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Hell, just these exlusives of 2011 convince me PC gaming isn't dead.

I was going to go, 'oh hell, that must be full of modern crap like Fallout 3'.. but then, damn, even if most of the good stuff are just remakes, those are remakes of some amazing games. I tried to hate and be cynical on the DOTA 2 and the Tropico 4 and the Stronghold 3 and JA2 remake, but my heart just melted on seeing Magna Mundi and many of the following ones.

I've said it tons of times, though. Games like DF will keep me from buying a console. Console games are too shallow, IMO, and I'm glad that the semi-casual games and button mashers are moving to console. Don't even put Facebook games under the same category as browser games. Facebook games are their own genre of grinding, microtransactions, and spamming your friends.

I, for one, will be forever happy with the strategy games, true roleplaying games, and indie game prototypes on the PC.

Whats a true rpg? oO

A game where you roleplay?

So, then table top games, and play by post, & larps, eh?

[Neonivek]

The thing about the RPG Genre is that it has a perceived meaning and its true meaning. (When refering to videogames)

Story isn't required and role has nothing to do with it.

The RPG Genre is more like a subgenre of Adventure games that grew.

[MrWiggles]

The thing about the RPG Genre is that it has a perceived meaning and its true meaning. (When refering to videogames)

Story isn't required and role has nothing to do with it.

The RPG Genre is more like a subgenre of Adventure games that grew.

Exactly. Actually, I would state that Adventure genre and RPG genre is a continuum. Though we probably wouldn't have the rpg video games we know today without Adventure game, since they are an older genre for th video game medium.

I was going a round about way to show that it was a silly qualifier.  As the acclaimed video game RPG, that I can list off the top of my head, about half are for consoles. Mother 2, Chrono Crisis, Star Ocean 2, and FF 7. And there is Fallout 1 & 2 (despite their buggy as all hell nature), Might & Magic series, & Quest for Glory for the PC. I can be swung either way if King Quest is Adventure or RPG. One could probably go as far to state that a good game, in probably most genres, independent of what system its on, can be made well.

[DJ]

Baldur's Gate isn't good enough for the list? Give us Diablo, at least.

[Cthulhu]

Technically, pretty much all games have you playing a role.  The RPG genre is really poorly defined, maybe we should just get rid of it and have the other genres adopt all the games.  Baldur's Gate is an adventure/tactics game.  Oblivion and Morrowind are action games.  Diablo is a Dungeon Crawler.

[Kitsunin]

I think the reason for the RPG genre is simply because most games don't have controlled character development, with level-ups and the such, and it would seem that there are people who are just suckers for those systems (Like myself)
The funny thing is that role-playing games really aren't that realistic, I mean yeah you get better at things as you do them, but you don't like...level up and such, to where you could go from having difficulty fighting rats to killing trolls single handedly...

[DJ]

Nah, RPG is just a wider term than those specific genres. It's in game genres what metal is in music genres.

[MrWiggles]

Baldur's Gate isn't good enough for the list? Give us Diablo, at least.

I did preface it with 'on the top of my head'. >.> 

I haven't played Baldur Gate yet. (Its on my todo list.) and I didn't like the Diablo series. Though I recognize them has being acclaimed in their respected genre.

So yea, thats probably why it doesn't spring to mind as readily.

[lordcooper]

Umm, you guys do know that a hell of a lot of games on that 'exclusives' list are not in fact exclusive to PC?

I also think the console versus PC thing is fucking stupid and should be left alone.
I play PC and console games pretty much equally.  I would never dream of playing an RTS on my PS3, or a FPS on my PC.  In my personal experiences, each does different things better than the other.  Arguing over which is better is pointless and idiotic.

My 2 dwarfbucks.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Umm, you guys do know that a hell of a lot of games on that 'exclusives' list are not in fact exclusive to PC?

Not "a hell of a lot", rather few actually. Of those that are, none are being ported from consoles, and they're mostly action/slashers and related games anyway (after quick poking, I only found Witcher to be multiplatform). If you mean the latter half of the list, it's specifically labelled as "MULTIPLATFORM" in big, friendly, red letters.

[Nistenf]

I also think the console versus PC thing is fucking stupid and should be left alone.
I play PC and console games pretty much equally.  I would never dream of playing an RTS on my PS3, or a FPS on my PC.  In my personal experiences, each does different things better than the other.  Arguing over which is better is pointless and idiotic.

Why would you want to play a FPS on a console rather than PC?

[Sean Mirrsen]

If it's a first person slasher, then I could agree. Otherwise, no way. Anything where you have to follow a fast-moving target with a reticle belongs either on a PC, or in a lightgun-equipped arcade.

[kg333]

The problem is that lately they've been porting all of the drawbacks from one system to the other.  Sold separately external hard drives on consoles, matchmaking on PCs, buggy-ass "we'll just patch it later" games on consoles, console controls on PCs, etc.

Couldn't agree more.  They're different and getting blurred in all the wrong ways.

KG